Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[Gucci_Charms]

QQ Delusional Rants

So unless a farming party that wants previous winners and fully experienced players is not willing to accept new players into their party, they have no right to use Party Finder? Laughable.

With that said, no one is allowed to Party Finder unless new players are welcomed in their party? New players should just be allowed to bypass any requirements or conditions that are preset by the party leader? LOL.

You are saying all farming parties must be a pre-made static that can never use Party Finder even if this group requires fill-ins? How are these groups supposed to gather people for their farm party? Are they supposed to /tell everyone on their friends list, LS, FC instead of just using Party Finder? You are forgetting a farming party can comprise of 8 random players that have never grouped with each other.

The reality of the FFXIV community is that not everyone wants to hold hands and waste each other's time when the majority of players are busy people. If they want to help each other, that would be great. I'm sure everyone in here can vouch they enjoy helping new players to an extent. When they are trying to work on their own needs in-game, however, they are not obligated to help you.

TLDR: You only want Party Finder designed to accommodate your own specific play style. You clearly do not understand the Party Finder's functionality. Hilarious troll post!!!!!!!!!!!

[NyarukoW]

... How are these groups supposed to gather people for their farm party?...

Have farm static tryouts? I know you seem me write this and you even quoted it before. You don't like this answer because it takes more time. But why are you entitled to a have people at your beck and call to farm, when you didn't put in the effort to build a farm static? It doesn't matter that you put in the time to learn the fight, that is only 1 part of effort required, now you need to do the second part, that is recruit and do tryouts, and then schedule the time.

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As soon as you start restricting which classes and ilvls are appropriate for your PF, you are beginning to segregate potential members from the prospective member population. ...

iLevel requirements do no get you skilled or experience players. Everyone knows that gear level does not equal skill, it is there because the instances themselves have iLevel minimum requirements. And you can't really stop someone from joining and then taking advantage of the group and switching to spirit bonding gear either. And classes are open to everyone, all they need to is play the different classes, and it is easy to gear up all the different classes from fates and hunts if they so choose. So for all effective purposes, those criteria selections do not really segregate or discriminate.

[Gucci_Charms]

Have farm static tryouts? I know you seem me write this and you even quoted it before. You don't like this answer because it takes more time. But why are you entitled to a have people at your beck and call to farm, when you didn't put in the effort to build a farm static? It doesn't matter that you put in the time to learn the fight, that is only 1 part of effort required, now you need to do the second part, that is recruit and do tryouts, and then schedule the time.

Tryouts does not equate to a farm party. Tryouts, in your view, is allowing new players to join a farm party that clearly asks for previous winners only LOL.

If they add a new player, that results in opportunity costs. The 7 other players will just be wasting their time. How is that a win-win for everyone? Wiping hours with a new dude vs several successful runs in allowed timeframe. Which of these options makes more sense to the farming party? The purpose of farming parties is to reduce any possibilities of error, resulting in more loot earned and time saved. The purpose of a learning party, on the other hand, is to wipe for a long period of time till you are fully knowledgeable of all aspects of the fight.


The point that many and myself have asked multiple times in this thread is what is stopping new players from simply creating their own learning parties or joining a learning party? You have yet to provide a solid answer to this question. If you decide to answer it, please use a logical answer instead of using one of your extreme handicap, mentally disabled, PR, or stupid real life comparisons that actually add no value to your arguments.

[NyarukoW]

Tryouts does not equate to a farm party. Tryouts, in your view, is allowing new players to join a farm party that clearly asks for previous winners only LOL.

If they add a new player, that results in opportunity costs. ....

"Opportunity costs"? Seriosuly, are you running a business? You make money by RMT or something? Sell clears to generate demand for RMT? Play for fun for a change? Help people learn the fights and enjoy their company? No it doesn't compute because of the "opportunity costs."

If you put a PF for farm static tryouts, most likely those that just want to sneak a quick clear will stay away, because they know they are being watched and graded. You should really do the tryouts and use that to recruit and then see that it works. You need to put in the up front costs to build that farm static, which more than pay off on the back side when you one-shot stuff over and over.

[Ashkendor]

If you put a PF for farm static tryouts, most likely those that just want to sneak a quick clear will stay away, because they know they are being watched and graded. You should really do the tryouts and use that to recruit and then see that it works. You need to put in the up front costs to build that farm static, which more than pay off on the back side when you one-shot stuff over and over.

You're still on the thing with the tryouts? Seriously, when I want to farm I want to farm. We usually do 4-5 runs at most and then move onto something else before we get bored with it. We're not going to sit and hold two days of auditions for a two hour farm party. It isn't a casting call for a movie; it's a party to farm an ingame trial for 8-12 minutes per run. Not to mention I've met some pretty cool people while putting up farming parties. My static leader has actually put a linkshell together from people we meet while farming, to help us put together parties faster. It's called getting out there, being social, and possibly making some new friends.

I also have friends that are newbies, but none of them are delusional enough to think that they can simply hop into a party with 7 veterans looking to farm the content and get a free carry. Seriously, it's downright rude. They are all willing to learn the content for themselves (and I am willing to help them do so) before joining such a party. Why is it such a problem to require that people know the fight before joining a party to farm it?

People have no self-motivation anymore, I swear. If you want to learn, go learn. Either join a party in PF or ask your FC/friends to help you with it. If just you want to get carried, then feel free to merc a run.

[Gucci_Charms]

"Opportunity costs"? Seriosuly, are you running a business? You make money by RMT or something? Sell clears to generate demand for RMT? Play for fun for a change? Help people learn the fights and enjoy their company? No it doesn't compute because of the "opportunity costs."

If you put a PF for farm static tryouts, most likely those that just want to sneak a quick clear will stay away, because they know they are being watched and graded. You should really do the tryouts and use that to recruit and then see that it works. You need to put in the up front costs to build that farm static, which more than pay off on the back side when you one-shot stuff over and over.

Opportunity costs doesn't just refer to business models. Not surprised though since you don't understand the difference between what proactive and lazy means. You also don't understand the concept of entitlement either.

You really should just stop posting in here. Your arguments add no value and are based off a delusional world. You also have no prior farming experience since you lack any coil i90/110 or primal gear nor understand what farming means. You are nothing more than a troll posting rants that do not even make sense.

Please answer this question though since you like dodging it each time it is asked: what is stopping new players from simply creating their own learning parties or joining a learning party?

TLDR: You make no sense.

[Yoninxi]

Please answer this question though since you like dodging it each time it is asked: what is stopping new players from simply creating their own learning parties or joining a learning party?

Please answer this NyarukoW

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What's the point of the party finder if youre just supposed to take anyone gracious enough to join your party? Why not get rid of it and have everyone deal with doing content in the duty finder?

[NyarukoW]

what is stopping new players from simply creating their own learning parties or joining a learning party?

There is nothing stopping them from doing that, and I plenty of those PFs and it is a good thing. That was not the problem was it? The issue is the "clearance condition" being used to divide up the playerbase, so that question is really irrelevant. You guys just ignore those learning party PFs and pretend you don't see them.

The problem is the expectation to get a quick farm party is clearly no feasible. There are not that many player with the skill and experience to fulfill your wish and to meet the entitlement expectation that they are there the moment you call out on the PF. Try putting a PF to farm AV first room, or speed run Brayflox HM, or something along, those fill quick and you'll never have problems trying to sneak clears, because there are more than enough people that can do that stuff. Or PF for atma farm, or hunts, all things that have a low bar for skill and experience.

What's the point of the party finder if youre just supposed to take anyone gracious enough to join your party? Why not get rid of it and have everyone deal with doing content in the duty finder?

The party finder is good and functional as it is, you do not need to get rid of it. What needs adjustment is your expectation as to what it can do for you. There is no system/machine in the world that can distinguish a good player from a bad player based on their in game character stats. If is wishful thinking that a "clearance condition" can do that.

[LegendWait]

Play for fun for a change?

Where's the fun if new players keeps flooding in my farm/coil parties and prevent the other players from doing what we are planning to?

Getting lied to my face by someone who claimed he cleared, only to sneak a clear, isn't my definition of fun.

[NyarukoW]

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Getting lied to my face by someone who claimed he cleared, only to sneak a clear, isn't my definition of fun.

I don't know about your server, but all I've seen PF for farms get stuck there forever. I don't know how many new players are gutsy enough to lie and try to sneak a clear. I always tell new people to go in and say they are new in any party, instance, DF, PF or anything else. And then it is up to the host to decide what they want to do. It is not all that hard to ask the farm party host if they can help you get a clear, and if they say no, the new player should leave, nor is it all that hard for the farm party host to greet the people joining ask if they are new and if they know all the mechanics. Communicate and coordinate. You don't need a "clearance condition" that does not equate to skill and/or experience to skip that process.