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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    What you can do farm tryout parties and put in the effort to recruit people. And if they don't meet your need you try someone else. Maximize the opportunity to include as many players as possible. That is the PF working to bring players together.

    You clearance conditions will buy you players who bought clears and will still wipe your farm runs over and over.
    Right, cause when I want to farm something for a bit with some friends and we happen to be a couple people short, we totally want to sit down and hold tryouts. Perfect! We'll each put up a party with seven slots open and we'll narrow down our list of candidates until we can fill the two DPS positions in our party for a few Levi EX or T5 runs. Heck, we'll do several DAYS worth of tryouts to maxmize participation for what ends up being a handful of runs lasting about 2 hours total. Or we could just, y'know, put up a farm party and kick people that don't meet our skill requirements, i.e. being able to clear the content. You can't farm it if you can't clear it.

    As for being wiped by people that bought wins, of course this may happen but it becomes readily apparent when they don't actually know the fight mechanics. At that point we back out, boot them, and replace them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
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    As for being wiped by people that bought wins, of course this may happen but it becomes readily apparent when they don't actually know the fight mechanics. At that point we back out, boot them, and replace them.
    And you will have people without clear but with real experience that can do this, and they are kind enough to fill your party so you and your friends can do the said content and you guys just might 1-shot the whole thing. In either case, it is a tryout by default. So leave things as they are and it will maximize the opportunity for people to come together and play together.

    The "clearance condition" is only useful for promoting clear sells and indirectly RMT activity. It doesn't solve the problem of finding skilled players. You will need to work with them to find out what they know and what they don't know. There is not magic solution to that. So leave well enough alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    And you will have people without clear but with real experience that can do this, and they are kind enough to fill your party so you and your friends can do the said content and you guys just might 1-shot the whole thing. In either case, it is a tryout by default. So leave things as they are and it will maximize the opportunity for people to come together and play together.

    The "clearance condition" is only useful for promoting clear sells and indirectly RMT activity. It doesn't solve the problem of finding skilled players. You will need to work with them to find out what they know and what they don't know. There is not magic solution to that. So leave well enough alone.
    As I've stated several times, I'm at a point on Titan EX where I know the entire fight - I have been to 1% - but haven't been able to clear it. If someone has a farm party up, I can pm them and ask if it's alright if I join. If they let me, cool maybe I can get my clear. If they don't, that's entirely their prerogative. People that don't know the fight or that only know part of the fight are not "being kind" by filling up my party and wasting my time with repeated wipes. They are griefing me and the rest of the people in the party. I don't know about your server, but on my server I can put together a party for just about anything at just about any time of day and get a full host of people that are at least reasonably skilled enough to clear the content I'm looking to farm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    I don't know about your server, but on my server I can put together a party for just about anything at just about any time of day and get a full host of people that are at least reasonably skilled enough to clear the content I'm looking to farm.

    @NyarukoW ^ now that is an example of being proactive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    And you will have people without clear but with real experience that can do this, and they are kind enough to fill your party so you and your friends can do the said content and you guys just might 1-shot the whole thing.
    Are you that dense? Thats the point of a farming party. When I want to get 8 ppl that can do stuff blindfolded. They arent "kind enough to fill my party" they are messing up my farm party! That's exactly what the clear only option is about. I dont want ppl that can barely do stuff, I want great players that can coordinate and maximize my gaming experience NOTHING ELSE.

    The only difference you are proposing is that I get in with an unknown quality of players, wipe a lot, kick ppl, create drama, waste time then put up PF again, ppl rage quit, find it is a waste of time and rinse and repeat until I actually find a PUG group that can clear... Wow so much fun for me!
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