Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[NyarukoW]

You never explained why its perfectly ok for someone who has no business to join a farm party .....

Personally, I never join the farm parties, I much rather watch them get stuck there and never get filled and wait forever on the PF. I have no interest in helping them or tricking them or do anything with them.

In any case, the PF is meant to bring people together and play together, not for people to go an exclude each other. You have do not valid justification for excluding people. Efficiency is not valid reason, by the simple fact that you are needing someone else on the PF, you are spending time waiting, you are already not efficient. The system should not altered so you can have a easy button to exclude people.

And the "clearance condition" does not equal skill, just like gear level does not equal skill. You want skilled players, the clearance condition obviously does not do that.

Don't rely on other people to hold your hand because you're lazy or don't want to make an effort to learn...

Nobody is being lazy or asking for hand holding. People should have the maximum opportunities to learn. Actually exclusive PFs, e.g. asking for farm only, should NOT be allowed. They are wrong and bad for the game and community to be excluding people from participation. If you are putting stuff up on the PF, you should be at the mercy of those kind enough to join you and not the other way around.

[Gucci_Charms]

Invalid Arguments

Five things:

No one want wants new players in a party that clearly states FARM PARTY (PREVIOUS WINNERS ONLY).

Party Finder is accessible to ALL PLAYERS. This means that everyone has equal opportunity to create their own desired parties to accommodate the types of players they desire. They also have the ability to join a specific party that is seeking players in the same boat (farm, progress, etc.) If it is a learning party, for example, that is obviously designed for new players.

Waiting for quality player > new or incompetent player. There is nothing efficient about filling up your party with a new player who has never done the fight or practiced all the phases enough times. There is a reason why parties state WEEKLY CLEAR or FARM PARTY. The players in these parties are not there to teach you. They are there to get their desired loots and beat it multiple times without wiping constantly. YOU ARE NOT HELPING BY JOINING AND HAVING THEM WIPE FOR HOURS.

Your definition of exclusion is questionable. A clearance option just helps filter the desired players people want in their party. Party Finder is not meant to bring people together in the way you seem to think. It's purpose is to allow players to create or join parties that are suited to your needs and experience. If you join a specific party without meeting the requirements, your simply asking to be booted or blacklisted.

Stop relying on previous winning party members to help you. Sorry, but no one is obligated to help anyone in this game. If they want to help you, however, they will at their own accord. You seem to equate exclusion with the implied notion of "I want to be carried" throughout all your posts in here. It's one thing to ask players to help. However, it's a different story expecting people to carry you because you want people to hold your hand in everything.

[NyarukoW]

... Rehashed same invalid argument ...

You just want the system to give you teeth to exclude people. I sure hope SE does NOT give it to you. SE should be smart enough to see that the "clearance condition" checkbox should really be called "I am elitist and the unwashed masses of newbies better stay away" button.

[Gucci_Charms]

Nobody is being lazy or asking for hand holding. People should have the maximum opportunities to learn. Actually exclusive PFs, e.g. asking for farm only, should NOT be allowed. They are wrong and bad for the game and community to be excluding people from participation. If you are putting stuff up on the PF, you should be at the mercy of those kind enough to join you and not the other way around.

Maximum ability to learn isn't met by being carried by 7 other players who actually put the time in to learn the fight for hours. At the mercy of those kind enough to join? LOL. I think you mean the opposite. New players such as yourself are clearly at the mercy of begging previous winning players to actually take the time to teach you the specific instance. Again, another implied "I want to be carried" response. Not surprised though since your previous posts equates not helping new people in this game to handicaps and so forth.

You just want the system to give you teeth to exclude people. I sure hope SE does NOT give it to you. SE should be smart enough to see that the "clearance condition" checkbox should really be called "I am elitist and the unwashed masses of newbies better stay away" button.

I want an efficient system that balances out the needs of veteran and new players. There is nothing elitist about it. By adding a clearance option or filter, it will simply give more incentive to new players to actually be more proactive in learning the fight with other new players. Veteran players can join other previous winners for their weekly clears and farming parties in the most efficient manner. If veteran players want to help you, they will do so by their own will - not by this poor entitlement that new players such as yourself have that demand every previous winning party help them because they must.

[Ellatrix]

You just want the system to give you teeth to exclude people. I sure hope SE does NOT give it to you. SE should be smart enough to see that the "clearance condition" checkbox should really be called "I am elitist and the unwashed masses of newbies better stay away" button.

You have zero coil gear of any kind - either i90 or i110, nor do you have any primal gear. You're exactly the person I want to exclude as you have zero experience and contribute nothing to the success of the party. Best case scenario you contribute nothing and die immediately, worst case you get targeted by some mechanic you don't know how to handle and it wipes the party.

You have no experience in an actual farm party for any content, so you're really doing yourself proud by making arguments about something you have no actual knowledge of.

The purpose of PF is to find other players with the same goal in mind.

[NyarukoW]

... You're exactly the person I want to exclude ...

By all means do so. It is obvious you hate new players and you treat them with contempt and gladly sucker those who pay for your carries. I don't want to help people with attitudes like yours anyways. Gear level, or individual gear pieces does NOT equal skill. You are NOT going find the quick and easy way to discriminate and exclude people. In any case this is not my main account or character, but I'll admit that I am new, not so clueless about your pony/war lion, mirrors, T5 weapon, or whatever other farming runs. Been there done that, but only with my FC people, and we do NOT exclude the new people. If we need 1 more and we're on the PF, we gladly help them as they help us fill out the roster so we can do the run. If we wipe we wipe, if we wipe too many times, we vote abandon. NO BIG DEAL.

[LegendWait]

By all means do so. It is obvious you hate new players and you treat them with contempt and gladly sucker those who pay for your carries. I don't want to help people with attitudes like yours anyways.

Its not about hating new player, its about when I see a ramuh X farm party, I want it to go smoothly and expect everyone to know the conventional way to threat the mechanics.

You try to farm something like that and a new player comes in, pass 60% of the fight on the ground, gets clear, maybe rolls need on an underserved item, then leave party immediatly with his goal acheived. Happened to me way too many times

[NyarukoW]

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You try to farm something like that and a new player comes in, pass 60% of the fight on the ground, gets clear, maybe rolls need on an underserved item, then leave party immediatly with his goal acheived. Happened to me way too many times

Why is a person who bought their clear more deserving of lying on the ground for 60% of the fight and roll need on that same gear? This "clearance condition" will make this happen all the more common. I've seen those people in the farm runs and they an attitude far worse than the newbie/newer players. At least the new people will ask to pointers and learn from observation and practice.

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You don't learn fights by crashing groups aiming for quick completion; you start your own learning party, join someone else's learning party, or recruit FC members or other friends to your effort. ..

I have never tried to sneak a clear, nor have I ever had desire to do so. And I am all for being up front and explaining how much you know. That fact has already been stated in this thread. I object to "clearance condition" button because it divides up the community, promotes clear selling and motivates RMT as a consequence.

.. they get the boot and blacklist so I don't have to deal with them again.

You better start black listing your clients, since you know they haven't got the skill or experience in them, because they always buy their clears.

[Ellatrix]

By all means do so. It is obvious you hate new players and you treat them with contempt and gladly sucker those who pay for your carries. I don't want to help people with attitudes like yours anyways. Gear level, or individual gear pieces does NOT equal skill. You are NOT going find the quick and easy way to discriminate and exclude people. In any case this is not my main account or character, but I'll admit that I am new, not so clueless about your pony/war lion, mirrors, T5 weapon, or whatever other farming runs. Been there done that, but only with my FC people, and we do NOT exclude the new people. If we need 1 more and we're on the PF, we gladly help them as they help us fill out the roster so we can do the run. If we wipe we wipe, if we wipe too many times, we vote abandon. NO BIG DEAL.

I've helped more new people (many random strangers) than you ever will, and carried more people through TitanX outside of merc runs than you can count. I don't hate new players. I hate when people try to sneak into a run that is for not new players. Then they get the boot and blacklist so I don't have to deal with them again.

[Pyretta_Blaze]

In any case, the PF is meant to bring people together and play together

No, it's really not. The DF is there to bring people together quickly to attempt clearing content. PF is there to allow you to build a party with your own requirements.

If I only have a short time to clear T6 then I want to be able to build a party that can clear in that timeframe. Yes, I will probably still take someone without a win if they take the initiative to send me a tell.

People already have the ability (and right) to remove someone lying about previous clears, this option would just keep people from wasting time finding it out after zoning in.