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    Quote Originally Posted by Gucci_Charms View Post
    ..Again, you cannot simply join a group to be carried or assume they'll be cool wiping for hours with you to learn the fight when it was originally stated as a weekly clear or farm party.
    Again you talk as if the kick option doesn't exist.

    Look at some point people will need to try the clear party and move on out of the learning party. This will happen. Who is to say who gets to decide when they are ready. There are plenty of folks here with ideas that they are somehow much better than they really are. They will set the clear requirement checkbox without themselves ever having cleared. It is the same people that think they can clear with a farm group and 1-shot and then rage quit when they don't. Some think they know the fight because they watched the videos and is completely unable to adapt to what a group is used to do. All this happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gucci_Charms View Post
    ... go pay gil to the Run Sellers.
    And that is what this clear condition filter will do. Thanks for proving the point. And you know what else will happen, you will get all these people that bought their clears, and don't know what to do, joining your party and it will be even harder to determine if they got the experience or skill to do it. And you will be helping the RMT sellers along the way, while making it worse for new players to want to get into the game at all. You people really need to look at the big picture instead of fixating on the small problem of having to remove that new person if they don't work well in your PF.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gucci_Charms View Post
    My static or the SCOB pugs I have joined, for example, simply remove the nuisance from the group if they see the free 100 Mythology message without question.
    Sure you can do that, but you get to wait in exchange. I'd rather bet on the new guy and try for a wipe or two, than being stuck waiting. Having something to do and helping the new guy at the same time is a win-win situation. And if the new guy gets a clear all the better. The problem is mentality and attitude. You think new people are like lepers or something, and you want a system to exclude them. Look at the glass as half full instead of half empty for change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    Rants.
    Knowing the fight involves actually running through each phase of the battle. Anyone can watch a video. Watching a video, however, doesn't actually give anyone the full advantage of a full hands-on approach of doing the fight. You can easily tell someone's skill and if they're experienced by how they perform in the instance. This has been apparent with the tougher fights such as Titan EX, Ramuh EX, Turn 5, Turn 9, Savage Coil. Worrying about whether or not they paid for their clear is therefore meaningless. If the player is bad, they're getting removed in any case lol.

    In regards to your emphasis on waiting for people to join the farm or clear party, I'd rather wait 5 minutes or longer for a quality player that can 1-3 shot a fight versus wiping for hours with a clueless or "experienced" new player. In this case, there is a no win-win situation. It comes down to opportunity costs for the entire 7 other people in the party. The 100 Mythology message is the new way to filter such players, and I am glad they added it so that ninja winners or new players don't ruin the clear or farming party.

    And FYI, no one does the community a favour by carrying players which you are so fond of. This actually increases the amount of bad players on your specific server who will likely end up getting blacklisted by others for being so bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gucci_Charms View Post
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    In regards to your emphasis on waiting for people to join the farm or clear party, I'd rather wait 5 minutes or longer for a quality player that can 1-3 shot a fight...
    It is wishful thinking that you'd get someone in 5 minutes more time. I've had see the same T6 PF on there for 3 hours or more and never get going. And most people that do this will vote abandon after the 3rd wipe anyways. So I'd rather take a chance with a someone learning and trying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    It is wishful thinking that you'd get someone in 5 minutes more time. I've had see the same T6 PF on there for 3 hours or more and never get going. And most people that do this will vote abandon after the 3rd wipe anyways. So I'd rather take a chance with a someone learning and trying.
    It isn't wishful thinking. I don't know how populated your server is, but on Tues-Weds when my group and I do it and we need a fill-in, the slot gets filled within that time. Again, wait time will obviously vary on the day you do SCOB. If you delay it for later in the week, the longer the wait time will be. You'll also get the worse players of the bunch later in the week too lol.
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