Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[Gucci_Charms]

What is wrong with new people? They they get ebola or something? Why not help them learn and if you are lucky you can carry them. Welcome new people with open arms and have a good time helping them. And in doing so you help build the community and help the game. Stop with the mentality of rushing thru content and everyone else is just a speed bump for you between straight line between points A and B.

His point is that why should the 7 people who are trying to farm or clear for the week be obligated to help the new player? They learned it through practice parties and time investment. Why can't the new dude do the same? It's easy to make or join a learning or progress party for that sole purpose. I find it pretty inconsiderate to join a clear or farm party just to make yourself look bad by dying and claiming you supposedly reached near the end of the fight when you clearly didn't based on poor performance.

If they wanna help, then they'll help the new player. New players shouldn't just join a group assuming they can be carried willingly by everyone.

[NyarukoW]

His point is that why should the 7 people who are trying to farm or clear for the week be obligated to help the new player? They learned it through practice parties and time investment. Why can't the new dude do the same?

The new guy is learning it with the other 7. Why not help the new guy learn? The party finder is like forming a pick-up game. You will get different skill and experience level. The 7 is short on people that is why it they are using the PF. They just want ignore the value of the new guy being there and filling out their roster so they can game on and not be stuck waiting. If the 7 are so good, then tell the new guy to stand the corner and let the 7 carry him if it is faster to so. But the 7 can NOT reasonablely demand that they have their party filled with people they want when they want it without forming a static of people they know.

And there is nothing to stop them from trying it once with the new guy and then removing the new guy from the party if the new guy can't handle it. Sure beats waiting and doing nothing right? It is a win win for all involved to be inclusive.

[Gucci_Charms]

Snip.

You're missing the point entirely. It has nothing to do with not wanting to show the specific player how to do the fight. When it is a farm or weekly SCOB T6-9 clear party, however, most players just want to get it done and move on with their life and time. They don't want to wipe for several hours when 7 of them have already cleared. If you want to be carried, go pay gil to the Run Sellers.

There is a reason why learning or progress parties exist in Party Finder - for these new players to join them instead. My static or the SCOB pugs I have joined, for example, simply remove the nuisance from the group if they see the free 100 Mythology message without question.

If veteran players want to help the new guy, then will do so at their own accord. Again, you cannot simply join a group to be carried or assume they'll be cool wiping for hours with you to learn the fight when it was originally stated as a weekly clear or farm party.

[NyarukoW]

..Again, you cannot simply join a group to be carried or assume they'll be cool wiping for hours with you to learn the fight when it was originally stated as a weekly clear or farm party.

Again you talk as if the kick option doesn't exist.

Look at some point people will need to try the clear party and move on out of the learning party. This will happen. Who is to say who gets to decide when they are ready. There are plenty of folks here with ideas that they are somehow much better than they really are. They will set the clear requirement checkbox without themselves ever having cleared. It is the same people that think they can clear with a farm group and 1-shot and then rage quit when they don't. Some think they know the fight because they watched the videos and is completely unable to adapt to what a group is used to do. All this happens.

... go pay gil to the Run Sellers.

And that is what this clear condition filter will do. Thanks for proving the point. And you know what else will happen, you will get all these people that bought their clears, and don't know what to do, joining your party and it will be even harder to determine if they got the experience or skill to do it. And you will be helping the RMT sellers along the way, while making it worse for new players to want to get into the game at all. You people really need to look at the big picture instead of fixating on the small problem of having to remove that new person if they don't work well in your PF.

My static or the SCOB pugs I have joined, for example, simply remove the nuisance from the group if they see the free 100 Mythology message without question.

Sure you can do that, but you get to wait in exchange. I'd rather bet on the new guy and try for a wipe or two, than being stuck waiting. Having something to do and helping the new guy at the same time is a win-win situation. And if the new guy gets a clear all the better. The problem is mentality and attitude. You think new people are like lepers or something, and you want a system to exclude them. Look at the glass as half full instead of half empty for change.

[Gucci_Charms]

Rants.

Knowing the fight involves actually running through each phase of the battle. Anyone can watch a video. Watching a video, however, doesn't actually give anyone the full advantage of a full hands-on approach of doing the fight. You can easily tell someone's skill and if they're experienced by how they perform in the instance. This has been apparent with the tougher fights such as Titan EX, Ramuh EX, Turn 5, Turn 9, Savage Coil. Worrying about whether or not they paid for their clear is therefore meaningless. If the player is bad, they're getting removed in any case lol.

In regards to your emphasis on waiting for people to join the farm or clear party, I'd rather wait 5 minutes or longer for a quality player that can 1-3 shot a fight versus wiping for hours with a clueless or "experienced" new player. In this case, there is a no win-win situation. It comes down to opportunity costs for the entire 7 other people in the party. The 100 Mythology message is the new way to filter such players, and I am glad they added it so that ninja winners or new players don't ruin the clear or farming party.

And FYI, no one does the community a favour by carrying players which you are so fond of. This actually increases the amount of bad players on your specific server who will likely end up getting blacklisted by others for being so bad.

[NyarukoW]

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In regards to your emphasis on waiting for people to join the farm or clear party, I'd rather wait 5 minutes or longer for a quality player that can 1-3 shot a fight...

It is wishful thinking that you'd get someone in 5 minutes more time. I've had see the same T6 PF on there for 3 hours or more and never get going. And most people that do this will vote abandon after the 3rd wipe anyways. So I'd rather take a chance with a someone learning and trying.

[Gucci_Charms]

It is wishful thinking that you'd get someone in 5 minutes more time. I've had see the same T6 PF on there for 3 hours or more and never get going. And most people that do this will vote abandon after the 3rd wipe anyways. So I'd rather take a chance with a someone learning and trying.

It isn't wishful thinking. I don't know how populated your server is, but on Tues-Weds when my group and I do it and we need a fill-in, the slot gets filled within that time. Again, wait time will obviously vary on the day you do SCOB. If you delay it for later in the week, the longer the wait time will be. You'll also get the worse players of the bunch later in the week too lol.