Please add clearance condition to Group Finder

[SkylerStorm]

I don't see why people are so against this.

People always go on about being allowed to watch cutscenes, well if you made a PF for a story run of CM while watching cutscenes and proceeded to be joined by a bunch of speed runners who skip everything, wouldn't that annoy you?

It seems people only want the preferential treatment to be given to people at the lower end of the spectrum.

[Yoninxi]

I don't see why people are so against this.

People always go on about being allowed to watch cutscenes, well if you made a PF for a story run of CM while watching cutscenes and proceeded to be joined by a bunch of speed runners who skip everything, wouldn't that annoy you?

It seems people only want the preferential treatment to be given to people at the lower end of the spectrum.

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[NyarukoW]

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It seems people only want the preferential treatment to be given to people at the lower end of the spectrum.

Yet who is it that will set the clearance conditions? The party master is looking for clear and only want people that have cleared it to carry them? Talk about hypocrisy at the most blatantly obvious.

And why shouldn't preferential treatment be given to those that need it? You must be against handicap accessible ramps and parking spaces too. And when the ship goes down, you must be like that South Korean ferry captains that bails first and leave all the students to drown below decks.

[Yoninxi]

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Uh check box should be checkable only if you have cleared it. That is kind of the poi t of the check box. Equating people that haven't cleared to handicapped people that need ramps? What 7 other people would want to pick up the slack for that 1 person that dies to everything cause its too hard with out 25% echo?

[Gucci_Charms]

Uh check box should be checkable only if you have cleared it. That is kind of the poi t of the check box. Equating people that haven't cleared to handicapped people that need ramps? What 7 other people would want to pick up the slack for that 1 person that dies to everything cause its too hard with out 25% echo?

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[SkylerStorm]

You must be against handicap accessible ramps and parking spaces too.

The stupidest response I've ever heard.

People trying to leech a carry because they're either a) too lazy/bad to learn or b) can't afford/won't pay for a carry is nothing like being disabled in any way shape or form. And quite frankly you're a sad sick individual by suggesting laziness is on the same level as being handicapped. People do not choose to be handicapped, it is a disability that is thrust upon them and is nothing like the issue we are discussing here.

If you do not understand the discussion, then don't comment, and think before you say such stupid things in future.

[NyarukoW]

.... People trying to leech a carry ...

There is where you are wrong. People are NOT trying to leech a carry. They just want an opportunity to play and learn. They want access and you want to refuse them access. They just happened to be less fortunate than you. You falsely attribute the newer players to being lazy, just like you disgustingly falsely attribute handicap as being lazy. They also shouldn't have to pay for clears ever, people should not be supporting pay-to-win like you do. The players that didn't get a clear are handicapped by the fact that they don't have a static, they haven't had the time and opportunity to practice. People do not choose to be without a static or without a group to practice. They need access just like the handicap need access. By having a clearance condition you are denying them access.

Don't pretend you didn't say this:

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It seems people only want the preferential treatment to be given to people at the lower end of the spectrum.

You want to deny them access, whoever the lower end of the spectrum includes. Heaven forbid someone with a physical handicap play the game, and you don't let them in your static because they can't use mumble since they are deaf, or they have to play with one hand. Or perhaps they have learning disabilities and can figure this out only with more reps and practice, but you would be against it because it is "preferential treatment" to the "lower end of the spectrum."

[Gucci_Charms]

There is where you are wrong. People are NOT trying to leech a carry. They just want an opportunity to play and learn. They want access and you want to refuse them access. They just happened to be less fortunate than you.

No one is refusing new players any form of access. They have an opportunity to play and learn by creating or joining a LEARNING or PROGRESS PARTY. Joining a farm or previously cleared only party is simply asking to be carried or leeching. Ain't nobody got time for that! If these parties want to waste hours to help new players, then they won't name it as a farm or weekly clear party.

There is no such thing as being less fortunate than other players either. Everyone has equal access to accomplishing anything in this game. The only major difference between any player is how much time and effort they can or want to commit to this game.

[NyarukoW]

No one is refusing new players any form of access. ...

Really? Right now they can not deny access, but what about the time if and when "clear condition" is made real like those who advocated for this likes? With the "clear condition" you will be denying access and refusing new players of all forms.

And why is it that the farm PFs are always waiting for that magical person? The fact of the matter is there is just not enough players who has gotten that far already, and yet there are many that want to try and learn and get past it, but these farm PFs don't want them. Excluding people was never the answer, and that is the source of the problem. And the "clear condition" will only make things worse by motivating RMT, clear sellers, and those that want farm parties will now have people with clears that will be clueless and wipe the party.

And there are players who are less fortunate, including those who have RL handicaps. But more commonly, there are a lot of casual players who just don't have the time to go thru all the reps needed to right now to learn everything. They are less fortunate they can not play as much. The lucky top 1% have no business denying the rest of the 99% to have an opportunity to try the newer/harder fights, especially with mechanism like the "clear condition" which only makes everything worse.

[Gucci_Charms]

Really? Right now they can not deny access, but what about the time if and when "clear condition" is made real like those who advocated for this likes?
With the "clear condition" you will be denying access and refusing new players of all forms.

Not really. A clear condition is designed for hardcore end-game raiders who want to farm or be done with their weekly clears in the most efficient manner.

Again, what is stopping new players from creating or joining a learning or progress party to start learning the fight? Nothing. There's a difference between learning and making an effort versus depending on 7 other people who have beaten the specific instance to carry the weight of the new player. If the new player ever wants to actually farm at some point, he/she will actually have to make the effort to learn the specific fight. It will also help that player in the long run too.