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    Quote Originally Posted by nugglets View Post
    Numenor, while your point is somewhat accurate in very, very specific situations I can assure you that those situations are few and far between. In the most extreme case, you are looking at .1s faster cast, which is roughly the same amount of time as the server ticks that were so popularized by Titan failures. In order to reach this .1s, you have to lose even more DPC, putting you even further behind in the case of anything less than perfect circumstances.

    Your assumption that getting off ONE extra cast means you win the DPS race isn't entirely accurate. In the first example, 30 casts of 1017 = 30510 damage. 31 casts of 994 = 30814 damage, less than 1% change. I think everyone can agree that is far more reliant on luck than Harold here is making it out to be.

    You can try to change what Harold is saying but what he actually said was quoted. Neither of those things are true and show that, despite his supposed prowess at BLM, he seems to not understand something very basic.
    First of all, its pretty laughable that you are claiming RNG is now the problem with Spellspeed. I'm sure Crit is not RNG dependent at all.

    Second of all, you say at the extreme its 0.1 Second GCD reduction. If that was true, you would be looking at 25 casts in order to get a free cast not 30. Furthermore, lets look at the Spellspeed of Puro's BIS with your favoured Crit Chestpiece, compared to my BIS. That is 490 spellspeed (2.36gcd) vs 649 (2.20gcd) Funny that, its more than what you said was an extreme. Which means to catch up it will take around 15 spells. Half of what you said. Even if you use the Spellspeed Chestpiece on Puro's set, its still larger than 0.1 Second GCD reduction.

    Third of all. If you are cancelling casts as a spellspeed BLM, you are doing something wrong. I very rarely have to cancel a cast, and if I do its due to my own error. You should work your movement out of either: a) Anticipating movement with cast clipping, b) Using Aetherial Manipulation, c) Using one of your shields to ignore a mechanic, d) Use Procs to move, e) Use scathe. I have gone through many mechanics throughout this thread where this applies in each of the fights. If you know the fight and your role, you do not have to cancel your cast often.

    Fourth. If you have to cancel your cast as a spellspeed build, you will have to cancel it in a crit build; however the same does not apply when reversed, which is what Numenor explained. As I pointed out above, its more than a 0.1 Second GCD reduction

    Fifth: Spellspeed gives you the greatest amount of DPS point for point, regardless of seleen. The spellspeed build I posted earlier in the thread out dpses the BiS on the calculator and gives more theoretical intelligence.

    If you actually think that cancelling casts happens as often as you think and that spellspeed dps is luck dependent, then all i'll say is enjoy your slower casting RNG dependent crit build.


    Quote Originally Posted by athenia View Post
    Thank god im not alone....

    @ Harold I'm around 450 in t8 with 110 weapon and no selene in my raid. the bard is using foe 1nce or maybe twice in that fight, we rly dont Need Maximum dmg cause we doing it with 1 tank.
    just listen to the Person above. sure in t8 u dont have to Interrupt or move a lot, but in t9 or all the other fights u have to.
    If this is the case, then you would certainly do more with spellspeed. However, saying "we rly dont Need Maximum dmg" is a poor attitude, especially when talking about DPS numbers.

    tl;dr

    Takes just over 15 spells for my BiS spellspeed build to beat the BiS Crit build. Slightly more spells compared to the BiS Puro build. There are plenty of ways to avoid/prepare for movement as Black Mage. More details in above post
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    Last edited by HaroldSaxon; 09-13-2014 at 01:38 AM.