Average BLM DPS T8?

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

What is the correct spellspeed value? I'm using the value with seleen usage from Puro. Which given that is what any good scholar uses, its realistic to assume that.

You're assuming best case scenario for a black mage with that:
2 scholars who perfectly weave fey glow for you for 100% up time (practically impossible and chances are you only have 1 scholar anyway)
All Scholars use Selene - Even with 1 scholar, Fey Glow only has 50% uptime MAX. In reality this is much lower as there's always a few seconds lost on it (be it on sic or obey)
With the above, depending on the scholar and encounter, Eos might be used instead. As result you'll have no buff up at all from the Scholar.

Unless all conditions mentioned above are met (2 scholars, perfect fairy coordination, no pet derping and they don't use the skill speed buff at all), I believe it's wrong to use the higher value.

[Adamantium]

With the above, depending on the scholar and encounter, Eos might be used instead. As result you'll have no buff up at all from the Scholar.

Unless all conditions mentioned above are met (2 scholars, perfect fairy coordination, no pet derping and they don't use the skill speed buff at all), I believe it's wrong to use the higher value.

Just to be nitpicky, while I agree with the rest of your post, I feel the bolded isn't something that should even be considered. In my opinion, theorycrafting BiS gear/optimal rotations has always been targeted towards the top % of players who are most likely to reach, or get close to, that level of gear/optimized play. Players who care that much about their progress are likely to surround themselves with people with a similar mindset. A Scholar who cares about being as optimal as possible will never use Eos over Selene.

[HaroldSaxon]

Try this one out: Lets say u have 0,1 sec less cast time on fire then i have, that means u need a few casts to actually get ahead of me.

we both start with the same rotation. if we both get the interrrupt at the same time, lets say in 2nd fire rotation, ur mid way tho cast fire and im at the start of casting it, then ur ss bonus wasnt enough to gave u +1 fire cast compared to me.
that means we both had the same amount of spells, but my spells where hitting harder cause of the extra INT and we start again and ur bonus of beeing half a spell ahead is gone .

if u get that bonus form ss all the fight long and that means u can cast without getting interrupted, u can say its the strongest stat for BLM.

1) If you have to cancel a cast running Spellspeed, you WILL have to cancel for Crit/Det. This means that any bonus that was achieved by spellspeed is still achieved because you are still ahead.

2) There are many times when you cast a spell with spellspeed where you do not need to interupt your cast and you can move after (or use cast clipping to move). With a crit/det heavy build, there are instances where you can't finish your cast.

2) When you do cancel, you have a longer time recasting with crit/det compared to spellspeed. Another instant advantage.

3) If a fight has a short break (Such as T9 megaflare, T6 Blight, T5 Divebombs, T5 Post Snakes/Pre Twisters, Levi Jumps, Titan Jumps, Ifrit Jumps, Garuda Jumps/untargetable), then it doesn't matter what build you are running, you are at 0 dps. Does this make spellspeed builds terrible in these fights? No, because you aren't dps'ing and it doesn't count towards your dps. The break makes no difference.

You're assuming best case scenario for a black mage with that:
2 scholars who perfectly weave fey glow for you for 100% up time (practically impossible and chances are you only have 1 scholar anyway)
All Scholars use Selene - Even with 1 scholar, Fey Glow only has 50% uptime MAX. In reality this is much lower as there's always a few seconds lost on it (be it on sic or obey)
With the above, depending on the scholar and encounter, Eos might be used instead. As result you'll have no buff up at all from the Scholar.

Unless all conditions mentioned above are met (2 scholars, perfect fairy coordination, no pet derping and they don't use the skill speed buff at all), I believe it's wrong to use the higher value.

No, the weighting is for 1 scholar with 50% uptime of Fey Glow. End game scholars that are decent use scholar. Theorycrafting like this is designated for end game. Things like T8. Things like this thread.

[athenia]

dude i guess u dont want to see the point.

Ur NOT ahead if u have to clip a cast BEFORE ur +1 cast ahead of me. The whole advantage u had ( lets say 1,7 sec) is gone if u have to cancel on that point.
if u have the same amount of finished casts, the Int build is much better. The whole point on having a ss build is to be ahead in casts!

[HaroldSaxon]

dude i guess u dont want to see the point.

Ur NOT ahead if u have to clip a cast BEFORE ur +1 cast ahead of me. The whole advantage u had ( lets say 1,7 sec) is gone if u have to cancel on that point.
if u have the same amount of finished casts, the Int build is much better. The whole point on having a ss build is to be ahead in casts!

You aren't seeing the point, if you have to cancel a cast as spellspeed, you have to cancel it as crit or det, meaning there is no chance for crit or det to catch up. If you are cancelling lots of casts, then you are doing something wrong because I rarely have to cancel a cast.

[athenia]

You aren't seeing the point, if you have to cancel a cast as spellspeed, you have to cancel it as crit or det, meaning there is no chance for crit or det to catch up. If you are cancelling lots of casts, then you are doing something wrong because I rarely have to cancel a cast.

i will try to explain that one last time.

my 17 fires are stronger than ur 17 fire casts cause of my extra int. U never are ahead of me if ur not ahead in the amount of casts u throw out in a fight.
if u have to move BEFORE u can get ahead +1 cast of me, the whole time u where ahead is gone. cause i move the same time as u do. for example if im just about to begin my 18 fire cast and ur
1,0 sec ahead of me and u MUST cancell it cause of whatever.

in that scenario u lose a lot of dmg and if that happens 3 or more times in a fight ur waaay behind me.
im doing good dps ind t8 and i have my endgame exp aswell so much on that.

[Skeith-Adeline]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=371140226383800

Here is my rotation

[HaroldSaxon]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=371140226383800

Here is my rotation

First things first: Gear wise you are 12 over the accuracy cap. Do you have any gearpieces from Second Coil?

Secondly; You seem to be losing a small amount of time when switching your hotbar to use Blizzard 3.

Thirdly; Its a small dps gain when you have a firestarter proc in ice phase to use transpose at the end and then use your proc.

Its hard to say about your performance in T8 without seeing how you are reacting to certain mechanics (Ballistic Missiles, Landmines, saving quelling for the dread etc) with your rotation.

[HaroldSaxon]

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What DPS are you doing in T8?

I will try to explain one last time. I don't have to cancel any casts in T8. I rarely have to move to cancel a cast, you make it sound like it happens all the time. Even if I do its for 1 GCD (and I can use Scathe, Firestarter, Thundercloud, Swiftcast) which I still stay ahead as my GCD is lower and I can get back into my rotation quicker, and I stay ahead the entire time. If there is a break in the fight, there is a break for all classes and no-one can DPS, and it doesn't matter what build you have, no boss there = no dps. If you find you are constantly cancelling casts as BLM, you need to learn the fight better because you are not fully acclimatised with the fight. I've given you plenty of examples where you don't have to stop DPS'ing for movement, if you don't want to improve yourself, then fine, but don't come into threads ignoring experience, facts and evidence.

[nugglets]

1) If you have to cancel a cast running Spellspeed, you WILL have to cancel for Crit/Det. This means that any bonus that was achieved by spellspeed is still achieved because you are still ahead.

2) When you do cancel, you have a longer time recasting with crit/det compared to spellspeed. Another instant advantage.

SSPD builds, make up for lower damage per cast(DPC) by getting in more casts. You can plainly see this when comparing the BiS sets on the spreadsheet. The DPC of the first Laeveteinn set is 1017 and the second is 994, yet the DPS values are 429.3 and 429.0.

Both of these points are completely inaccurate.