Average BLM DPS T8?

[HaroldSaxon]

I have no actual sources or data to agree or disprove the Spell speed issue, so I'll just let that case rest for now.

That aside, I find it interesting how you assume you'll have 100% fey glow up based on the stat weights (actual values drop slightly, but that's not the point here)

I just played around with Ariyala a bit, you piqued my interest about the whole i90 accessories having more weight. I ended up creating two builds: One with i90 accessories (2 accuracy melded, 3 "damage" melded) and the default i110 set. While aiming not to overcap accuracy too much.
This resulted in the follow stats increases for each build:
i90 accessory build (4 accuracy over cap)
+163 crit (34,07)
+209 Spell speed (56,43)
+109 determination (26,81)
+278 intelligence (278)
Combined value is 395,31

i110 build (3 accuracy over cap)
+168 crit (35,112)
+178 spell speed (48,06)
+42 determination (10,33)
+303 intelligence (303)
Combined value is 396,50

Conclusion: After spending millions and millions of gil or hours and hours of spiritbinding, you're at -1,19 value compared to the full i110 build. I'm still not convinced.

ps: Interesting how we ended up from the food conversation to the i90 accessories (not that I'm complaining, gives me something to do)

Try this set:

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NSCG

4 Acc over the cap
Int: +260
Crit: +183
Det: +122
SS: +278

Combined Value:
(0.246*112)+(0.209*183)+(0.295*278)+260=407.809

Please let me know if i've done the math wrong or misunderstood the way you've worked it out. The only HA drops you need to RNJesus for are the Weapon, Chest and Legs (I'm still praying). With regards to gil; I did this all on Faerie, where Materia prices were pretty cheap; and I made my money either selling carries, spiritbinding and/or crafting.

Conversely, Puro's BIS is:

Int: +303
Crit: +186
Det: +38
SS: +178

Total: (0.246*38)+(0.209*186)+(0.295*178)+303 = 403.732

Both done without food; Puro's BIS is under accuracy and needs Apkallu Omelette (+27 crit), mine would be Sacherotte (+30SS and +6 det)

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

You're still using the wrong spell speed value. The actual combined value is 403.32. But yeah, point accepted. Trading in crafted pieces for i110 pieces has a small (keyword: small) increase on secondary stat value (6.82 worth). This does come at the cost of roughly 300 HP, however. Personally, I'll still stick with i110 gear as I've seen plenty of situation where the group, bar the tanks, ended up with <500 health or less. But penta-melding i90 pieces does seem viable to compete for damage for those who can't farm SCOB (completely). Assuming they think it's worth the time and gil (Savage Aim IV on Phoenix cost 300-700k depending on supply&demand)

[Skeith-Adeline]

I have the HA boots and the HA belt now (Full Evenstar gear with weathered evenstar ring as original loadout)

Should I use them? Since I don't have the items for a SS BiS, I'm using a temp Crit build until I have enough items.

I do not have the patience to craft so I'll never have the ability to purchase high Gil items (unless new Myth/Sol mats are up to sell) so I'm stuck with current set-up.

[athenia]

Please let me know if i've done the math wrong or misunderstood the way you've worked it out. The only HA drops you need to RNJesus for are the Weapon, Chest and Legs (I'm still praying). With regards to gil; I did this all on Faerie, where Materia prices were pretty cheap; and I made my money either selling carries, spiritbinding and/or crafting.

Conversely, Puro's BIS is:

Int: +303
Crit: +186
Det: +38
SS: +178

Total: (0.246*38)+(0.209*186)+(0.295*178)+303 = 403.732

Both done without food; Puro's BIS is under accuracy and needs Apkallu Omelette (+27 crit), mine would be Sacherotte (+30SS and +6 det)

its +42 det on the lvl 110 gear so the result is 404,761.
What u really Forget about is, that ss has that 0,295 Rating ONLY in a perfect fight (no Interrupts) AND with selene. U simply cant give ss that high Rating cause u always get interrupted.
For me DET is as good as SS and that means the ilvl 110 set is better.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

I have the HA boots and the HA belt now (Full Evenstar gear with weathered evenstar ring as original loadout)

Should I use them? Since I don't have the items for a SS BiS, I'm using a temp Crit build until I have enough items.

I do not have the patience to craft so I'll never have the ability to purchase high Gil items (unless new Myth/Sol mats are up to sell) so I'm stuck with current set-up.

You could have several gear sets, really. As the Evenstar Sash gives accuracy but the High Allagan Belt does not, you could swap them around if you don't need the accuracy. Same for the boots. Remember: You don't need 471 accuracy for all content, so you can swap out pieces in favor for a bit more damage rather than accuracy.

[HaroldSaxon]

You're still using the wrong spell speed value. The actual combined value is 403.32. But yeah, point accepted. Trading in crafted pieces for i110 pieces has a small (keyword: small) increase on secondary stat value (6.82 worth). This does come at the cost of roughly 300 HP, however. Personally, I'll still stick with i110 gear as I've seen plenty of situation where the group, bar the tanks, ended up with <500 health or less. But penta-melding i90 pieces does seem viable to compete for damage for those who can't farm SCOB (completely). Assuming they think it's worth the time and gil (Savage Aim IV on Phoenix cost 300-700k depending on supply&demand)

What is the correct spellspeed value? I'm using the value with seleen usage from Puro. Which given that is what any good scholar uses, its realistic to assume that.

I've never had a problem where i've been one shot by a mechanic that was due to my lack of health rather than a derp of myself. Personally, I didn't spend that much time or gil on them, it isn't particularly hard to make gil in this game. But, that isn't everyones case. Personally, I like not having to be completely reliant on SCOB drops, because i've never been particularly lucky with drops. In fact, i've got more Bard drops than i've got for BLM.

[HaroldSaxon]

its +42 det on the lvl 110 gear so the result is 404,761.
What u really Forget about is, that ss has that 0,295 Rating ONLY in a perfect fight (no Interrupts) AND with selene. U simply cant give ss that high Rating cause u always get interrupted.
For me DET is as good as SS and that means the ilvl 110 set is better.

That doesn't actually make sense at all. If you have to interupt a cast on spellspeed, you have to interupt it on crit or det. It just means that during that movement part of the fight, you either aren't dps'ing or using scathe. Spellspeed has far better utility.

In fact, with spellspeed, you can finish a cast more often, and you can restart your rotation quicker.

Furthermore, the gearset of Puro's on the gearchecker comes up with this:

High Allgan Staff of Boner
High Allagan + Evenstar Bootees
High Allagan*/Evenstar
Evenstar
Evenstar
High Allagan
High Allagan + Evenstar Hat
High Allagan
High Allagan
High Allagan
Evenstar
High Allagan

I've put it into the gearchecker and come up with:

Int: +303
Crit: +187
Det: +38
SS: +178

So I was 1 crit out, which means its 403.941

[HaroldSaxon]

I have the HA boots and the HA belt now (Full Evenstar gear with weathered evenstar ring as original loadout)

Should I use them? Since I don't have the items for a SS BiS, I'm using a temp Crit build until I have enough items.

I do not have the patience to craft so I'll never have the ability to purchase high Gil items (unless new Myth/Sol mats are up to sell) so I'm stuck with current set-up.

You could have several gear sets, really. As the Evenstar Sash gives accuracy but the High Allagan Belt does not, you could swap them around if you don't need the accuracy. Same for the boots. Remember: You don't need 471 accuracy for all content, so you can swap out pieces in favor for a bit more damage rather than accuracy.

I actually swap out the hat myself for T6/7 if I don't need accuracy and run all my damage pieces if I don't need any acc (Ramuh). Acc pieces are nice to have, but you shouldn't need the boots until you get the weapon (or Novus). Puro's BIS is:

High Allgan Staff
High Allagan (If using Evenstar Bootees)
High Allagan*/Evenstar
Evenstar
Evenstar
High Allagan
High Allagan (if using Evenstar Hat)
High Allagan
High Allagan
High Allagan
Evenstar
High Allagan

[athenia]

Try this one out: Lets say u have 0,1 sec less cast time on fire then i have, that means u need a few casts to actually get ahead of me.

we both start with the same rotation. if we both get the interrrupt at the same time, lets say in 2nd fire rotation, ur mid way tho cast fire and im at the start of casting it, then ur ss bonus wasnt enough to gave u +1 fire cast compared to me.
that means we both had the same amount of spells, but my spells where hitting harder cause of the extra INT and we start again and ur bonus of beeing half a spell ahead is gone .

if u get that bonus form ss all the fight long and that means u can cast without getting interrupted, u can say its the strongest stat for BLM.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

What is the correct spellspeed value? I'm using the value with seleen usage from Puro. Which given that is what any good scholar uses, its realistic to assume that.

You're assuming best case scenario for a black mage with that:
2 scholars who perfectly weave fey glow for you for 100% up time (practically impossible and chances are you only have 1 scholar anyway)
All Scholars use Selene - Even with 1 scholar, Fey Glow only has 50% uptime MAX. In reality this is much lower as there's always a few seconds lost on it (be it on sic or obey)
With the above, depending on the scholar and encounter, Eos might be used instead. As result you'll have no buff up at all from the Scholar.

Unless all conditions mentioned above are met (2 scholars, perfect fairy coordination, no pet derping and they don't use the skill speed buff at all), I believe it's wrong to use the higher value.