Tier List

[kensatsu]

XD, my poor whm if i encouter you
nevermind i may think too much of the Pve pld, seem full swing and glory slash is may be a good addition.
I may be hard to do a tierlist if the low tier is overated.
I don't have encounter pld so strong yet.
a tierlist would realy be true if done on Top Player match only anyway, it's certainly too soon for that

[Zagam]

Huh, weird.

Screenshots don't really prove anything when you can switch at the end and it shows all the stats on the job you just changed from. And I'm not saying tanks cant get high numbers but breaking 100k?7 kill shots? I'm calling BS. Even as a blm free casting full rotations with flares and multiple kill target LBs I don't hit 120k often.

[Avirex92]

1. sch
2. whm
3. blm
4. war
5. pld
6. mnk
7. smn
8. drg
9. brd

S. Sch/Whm
A. Blm/War (no order)
B. Pld/Mnk/Smn (no order)
C. Drg/Brd

[Avirex92]

- drg/brd are both lacking. either it stems from players lacking the skills to maximize their damage output or simply not caring and spamming moves at the wrong time. Granted, there are plenty of drg's and brd's out there and on these forums that may disagree with me and could prove me wrong with their high damage count and kill count, but overall I do not see it.

[Avirex92]

My reasonings (opinions)

- Sch/whm are both great healers and near impossible to take down if the other team is not coordinated and the healer themselves knows what to do and when to do it. I only put Sch SLIGHTLY above Whm due to Sch's not needing as much help to cure as Whm's.

- Blm/Wars can both wreak havoc on the battle field if left unchecked. Both of these classes can not only dish out some good damage but both have a nasty way of controlling players too.

- Pld/Mnk/Smn are all good classes but i feel they can all be slightly better. I have seen alot of people rank Pld pretty low. I ranked them higher then most would largely due to the fact that most players ignore pld's and war's until last. Well, a fully spec'd STR Pld will kill a mage class if left unchecked. Mnk is here due to their crazy ability to remove buffs and FoW And lastly, Smn's with there crazy AOE DOTs can be very annoying, altho i do not find them to be as threatening. (opinion)

[Blubbers]

There's a lot that paladins can do that make them great as long as they put 30 points into STR and go DPS accessories.

1. Full Swing (+20% damage taken debuff that works for your entire team) + Fight or Flight (damage +30%) + sword oath (auto attacks do 1.5x damage) + tons of off cooldown moves (spirits within, Glory Slash which can remove aetherflow, circle of scorn, full swing mentioned earlier) = Amazing burst potential at the beginning
2. Amazing 1v1 for holding outpost (bulwark -> shield swipe FTW)
3. The best job when you need to overextend for 5 seconds and go in deep to finish 1 guy (hallowed ground)
4. Great support for healers (testudo = 50% damage reduced for 16 seconds, cover = you take all hits and stuns so your casters can free-cast)
5. Group wide hp buff of about 200 hp for having 1 tank, this shouldn't be underestimated as it often means the difference between the group surviving a caster LB1 or not
6. The most underused paladin skill tempered will is MADE for pvp. It will remove bind or heavy instantly and prevents knockbacks. I love using it when a WHM is trying to bait me around the corner to fluid aura me off and then he just wastes it and continues to get smacked.

You can also get the group hp bonus by rolling marauder and having even better burst moves and holmgang, but paladin gives more support for healers and the best panic move (hallowed ground) in pvp.

[Vaeria]

One more thought: The role of a 'good pld' allows room for variation once multiple tanks enter into the equation (Atreus makes mention of another tank in his premade I think) When dealing with multiple healers, theres only so much ANY tank can do in terms of stunlocking, and, once it becomes apparent melees aren't properly focusing, a tank might shift his focus elsewhere to find another crack in the armor so to speak. Kinda need you to clarify what your personal definition of a plds 'playing their class right' involves Skeet (specifically in FL, not WD.) As a side example, I've made friends with a pld who assists me in attempting to burn blms BEFORE jumping on the healer. Is this wrong?

[tehomegaking]

Thats just silly. You can infer the situation from his kill to damage ratio. It's most likely from a prolonged flag battle against multiple healers. You're DPS largely has to do with how many (/how long the )encounters you are in.

[Dimitrii]

I'll take a melee buff in pvp even though they dont need it.