Why can't we have jobs with this level of depth and customization in FFXIV?

[Exstal]

And quit with the "too much stress" baloney argument already. FFXIV has more dramatic shifts in combat than FFXI ever did when I played.

It's not Tupsi's words. It's Naoki's stance. He doesn't want to burden the player too much. Which he might change depending on census.

[Redemption]

Uh seekers didn't kill ffxi it was abyss get it right.

If you had gone to seekers at 75 and kept the party base stuff it would of been good.

As for "you would of stayed there" maybe you should have cause you expected to come here for same junk and was disappointed, it's a different MMO with different battle mechanics and game play, I didn't come to FFXIV expecting the same thing, I have played for years since twinkling treants in FFXI to SOA leaving dec 2013 and wanted something different and I got it.

If that was your mind set please don't bring anything from FFXI cause if I wanted to play FFXI I would cancel my sub and go back to FFXI the game still exist.

I understand some monsters from FFXI are in this game and other stuff, though I don't see how puppet will fit in this game or beastmaster which are made for solo game play, you cant take them into dungeons so whats the purpose? If they would make them as powerful as ffxi's puppet and beast it would break the game puppets and beetles tanking bosses and sitting back no thank you.

They both killed it, just seekers of adoulin completely left behind the spirit of ffxi where abyssea still had some soul left. I also didn't come here expecting the same, I also wasnt expecting it to be different, I just wanted an mmo that would be up to my standards which it was not and adding good things from ffxi is not going to turn it into ffxi, just a more diverse game.

Like you I played pretty much from north america launch up until SOA (February this year I quit). I have no intent to go back because it is no longer the experience I expect from FFXI and being that experience no longer exists it is perfectly acceptable to ask to see some of it return in other venues. Not to mention that if there is anywhere it is appropriate to ask for some ffxi mechanics its here and if you wanted something different (and you consider this different) there is literally a boatload of games like this already on the market. New to you perhaps, not to me but unlike you that doesn't bother me. I just think its fair to offer some other kinds of content and structure too.

[ZReport]

FFXI honestly died when Abyssea dropped. It was the fault of the devs and Tanaka for making the game so very reliant on the lvl 75 cap for years, then gradually out-dating years and years of people's hard work with successive level increases to 99. I remember the rapid demotivation of people on my old server once the cap was raised to 85, and then 90, because even then a lot of 75 gear was still relevant. The release of Seekers (and ARR shortly after) only pushed the nail in the coffin deeper with it's ever increasing departure from classic FFXI metagame. You guys have to keep in mind that the level cap was 75 for almost 8 years (including the merit system). This is a big deal, because it set up the mindset for people to think about horizontal progression, instead of vertical progression, which is a common occurrence in any MMO with increasing levels and iLevels

I personally feel that FFXIV could benefit for jobs that actually have a sort of depth and customization, but that will come with time. They also have to create content based on the current battle system that they've devised -- very recently Yoshi-P said he was very interested in adding Blue Mage, but was having problems trying to imagine how it would fit into the battle system and the overall metagame. Of course, the only material he has to go off on currently is XI's Blue Mage, which is very customizable, but worked because of the battle system that was in place


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[Zumi]

FFXI honestly died when Abyssea dropped. It was the fault of the devs and Tanaka for making the game so very reliant on the lvl 75 cap for years, then gradually out-dating years and years of people's hard work with successive level increases to 99. I remember the rapid demotivation of people on my old server once the cap was raised to 85, and then 90, because even then a lot of 75 gear was still relevant. The release of Seekers (and ARR shortly after) only pushed the nail in the coffin deeper with it's ever increasing departure from classic FFXI metagame.

I personally feel that FFXIV could benefit for jobs that actually have a sort of depth and customization, but that will come with time. They also have to create content based on the current battle system that they've devised -- very recently Yoshi-P said he was very interested in adding Blue Mage, but was having problems trying to imagine how it would fit into the battle system and the overall metagame. Of course, the only material he has to go off on currently is XI's Blue Mage, which is very customizable, but worked because of the battle system that was in place


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This tells me you haven't even played seekers, because there is a lot of your old gear that you upgrade in seekers. Relics, mythic, empyrean weapons, your old AF+1 armor, and relic armor from dynamis all got updates and use the base pieces you got from 75 content with some new seal drops from updated bcnm fights, your old gear you got at level 75 is now updated to ilvl 119 after some work. The weapons r/m/e continue to be upgarded to ilvl 119 and are still the best weapons and you can't skip the previous upgrade steps and go straight to 119 you have to do the 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 99 parts as well.

SE is going to release items up upgrade your abyssea armor soon as well so that armor won't be going to waste either.

[Redemption]

This tells me you haven't even played seekers, because there is a lot of your old gear that you upgrade in seekers. Relics, mythic, empyrean weapons, your old AF+1 armor, and relic armor from dynamis all got updates and use the base pieces you got from 75 content with some new seal drops from updated bcnm fights, your old gear you got at level 75 is now updated to ilvl 119 after some work. The weapons r/m/e continue to be upgarded to ilvl 119 and are still the best weapons and you can't skip the previous upgrade steps and go straight to 119 you have to do the 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 99 parts as well.

SE is going to release items up upgrade your abyssea armor soon as well so that armor won't be going to waste either.

Well, they didn't do this til everyone freaked out. The initial response to it was that they had no plans to upgrade rme stuff, then the community had a meltdown and they changed their mind... Im pretty sure thats the same reason why the ilvl is still at 119 atm. Note though, that community team comments have suggested that the ilvl cap will eventually go up again which will once again invalidate everything right out of the gate.

This is getting a bit off topic though, unless people are still trying to push that any and all ffxi systems must stay in ffxi and have no right to be anywhere else. Which makes no sense.

[ZReport]

This tells me you haven't even played seekers, because there is a lot of your old gear that you upgrade in seekers. Relics, mythic, empyrean weapons, your old AF+1 armor, and relic armor from dynamis all got updates and use the base pieces you got from 75 content with some new seal drops from updated bcnm fights, your old gear you got at level 75 is now updated to ilvl 119 after some work. The weapons r/m/e continue to be upgarded to ilvl 119 and are still the best weapons and you can't skip the previous upgrade steps and go straight to 119 you have to do the 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 99 parts as well.

SE is going to release items up upgrade your abyssea armor soon as well so that armor won't be going to waste either.

I logged on and played Seekers a couple of times before deactivating my character forever. This coming from a year break. Wasn't around long enough to see ilevels. However it just proves the problem that SE created for themselves with keeping the level cap at 75 so long -- You have these people who are so scared of their equipment becoming useless and outdated that SE created a way to reuse them and raise their iLvl, keeping them relevant (and perpetuating the problem in the first place). FFXI is doomed now to continue to upgrade 5~10+ year old gear via iLvl or do away with them completely, losing even more subs.

I don't blame the people for panicking or complaining at all.

[Volsung]

Would gladly welcome more content and classes/jobs that
players can put the love into. They don't need to change everything
just add to it!

I don't want a carbon copy of XI, but we can definitely pull some
good ideas, and put XIV spins on things. Just like we can from ANY
mmo. Agree with OP.

[File2ish]

As much as I want to defend my stance that both games have similar amounts of complexity, it's not worth it. Gonna try to keep this short, I shouldn't have even written an essay length response in the first place. Nobody wants to read blocks of text on a forum. It was probably all ignored until the part where I essentially had a bullet list.

Considering how many people were complaining about 2.0's battle system being a downgrade from 1.21's, I'd say that the battle system is a lot different...

I believe you took what I said out of context. I was responding to a claim that XI had no complexity and was pointing out a few that the game has. You may not have read the first part of the post where I said the games have similar complexities (i.e. I said are relatively simple) and have very different pace of battle mechanics. But I suppose that's my fault for making blocks of text. I didn't expect response to the latter portion without reference to the former portion of what was written for some reason.

And just because this irked me: Yes, I could have pointed out that WHM (my main XIV job) and SCH use of cleric stance to compare it with how Scholar works in XI, but I chose not to thinking it wouldn't need to be said because I thought it was an obvious parallel. It's why I used it as an example.

Now that that's out of the way, I think I'm done with this thread lol. Arguing topics like this is very subjective and this is the internet.

[Tupsi]

It's not Tupsi's words. It's Naoki's stance. He doesn't want to burden the player too much. Which he might change depending on census.

This. It's partially why they cut down the skill and spell list to begin with for example.

[File2ish]

Hey guys, I don't know about you, but I thought these forums were supposed to be for feedback, and I'm not seeing much of that after the OP post, although there are a few shimmers here and there.

The OP sparked debate, and things move in surprising and unexpected ways on the internet.

Their technological limits: whether it's the ps3 or just their pre-made systems, it seems like everything needs to be straightforward and small, or at least not huge or vast, that's something missing in the game right now.

Second is their catering to the casuals. Up to 3.0 Expansion they plan to keep things simple for the sake of new players, which is a no-no if you ask me, but maybe it'll turn out ok...

I think it's more the latter. Ninja may actually be a more complex job to play than Dragoon and Monk in terms of abilities. It might be the first step for jobs with more "complexity" to them. Can't really say for sure until they show it off though.