Why can't we have jobs with this level of depth and customization in FFXIV?

[Lemuria]

Is it so bad that we don't have the "juhu, I do 100 dmg more with this element skill" moment anymore?
Even in 1.0 and 1.23 the difference between right element skill and wrong element skill was not very big.

The point I was making is that elements were one way of adding a layer of complexity to combat, and a good one at that. For starters, Ifrit should be absorbing fire attacks not being blasted to bits with them, Ramuh should be laughing off lightning strikes and Titan should be swatting Stone casts like gnats. But nope. Not even elementals take reduced damage from their own element. That feels like the complete opposite of every other Final Fantasy game out there.

Having a reason to choose one skill over another is what we're lacking right now. And if elements would bring some of that back, I would welcome the change. Trouble is, it can't happen now because they've built the entire Black Mage class over a measly 3 elements. Black mage? More like a muddy-grey mage. If they added in absorption, resistance and weakness it would render the class utterly worthless.

[Hioki]

We can't have it due to poor implementation and design by developers, fear that players are too dumb to understand or capable enough to utilize, and probably some story reason as a cop out.

-There will be no major job changes in 3.0. This has already been confirmed.
-They have low ambition of expanding on secondary stats.
-They view secondary progressions systems(FFXI: merit points, Rift: planar attunement) as just something that happens when the levels are too stagnate. We likely won't see this until after 3-4 level increases despite the fact we're rolling in xp that can't be used.
-Secondary abilities will never be game changing or provide meaningful choice options. -Main class abilities will fall under the same concept as there is no talent/skill mutually exclusive choices to define playstyles.
-They have little understanding of "clutch"/ "turn the tide" moments with reactive abilities/mechanics. They also don't know how to reward players properly for acting on reactive abilities.
-Development/implementation time is excruciatingly long. If we were to get it, it would take close to 6-7 months before we would see even the glimmer in their eye for it.
-THEY HAVE TERRIBLE CODE AND CANNOT FIX THIS AGGRO BS THAT HAS BEEN IN THE GAME SINCE RELEASE. HOW HARD IS IT FOR ENEMIES TO CANCEL THEIR IMMEDIATE ACTION, STOP CROSSING AN ENTIRE FIELD, AND GO TO A DAMNED TANK AND BEGIN THEIR ATTACKS AS SOON AS THE TARGET IS CHANGED? WHY IS THIS STILL AN ISSUE A YEAR LATER?

[Magis]

My opinion is that the solution to this would be putting all elemental spells back where they were originaly and give THM another job, like WHM (and give them their cone AoE back). They are priests after all and were the best healers while the CNJ were the ones who played with elements.

Even in the discussions which classes get WHM or BLM before the infos about it got announced, I was in the "give THM the WHM job" group.

Always found it weird that the CNJs couldn't take advantage of fire, thunder and ice yet they are the "elementalists" of the game's lore.

We can't have it due to poor implementation and design by developers, fear that players are too dumb to understand or capable enough to utilize, and probably some story reason as a cop out.
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-THEY HAVE TERRIBLE CODE AND CANNOT FIX THIS AGGRO BS THAT HAS BEEN IN THE GAME SINCE RELEASE. HOW HARD IS IT FOR ENEMIES TO CANCEL THEIR IMMEDIATE ACTION, STOP CROSSING AN ENTIRE FIELD, AND GO TO A DAMNED TANK AND BEGIN THEIR ATTACKS AS SOON AS THE TARGET IS CHANGED? WHY IS THIS STILL AN ISSUE A YEAR LATER?

I agree with your points. However the last part... is that why in T7 the Lamias run to the middle of the fight when they spawn, instead of going to the tank?

[Tupsi]

Always found it weird that the CNJs couldn't take advantage of fire, thunder and ice yet they are the "elementalists" of the game's lore.

1.0 Conjurer Spell list:

http://www.final-fantasy-14.org/abil...&submit=Filter

I agree with your points. However the last part... is that why in T7 the Lamias run to the middle of the fight when they spawn, instead of going to the tank?

Because then it would be like FFXI and there's an obvious hate for anything and everything XI related here if they did their behaviors differently. The thing is, the enemies do switch their targets, but the server is what handles when/what they attack more so than the client in ARR's case.

[Iriadysa]

-THEY HAVE TERRIBLE CODE AND CANNOT FIX THIS AGGRO BS THAT HAS BEEN IN THE GAME SINCE RELEASE. HOW HARD IS IT FOR ENEMIES TO CANCEL THEIR IMMEDIATE ACTION, STOP CROSSING AN ENTIRE FIELD, AND GO TO A DAMNED TANK AND BEGIN THEIR ATTACKS AS SOON AS THE TARGET IS CHANGED? WHY IS THIS STILL AN ISSUE A YEAR LATER?

Because if monsters did this they could be locked down into ping pong aggro without doing any kind of attacks. Also, it would be possible to cancel their strong attacks by swapping hate.

"Terrible code" maybe, but I'm pretty sure you have no understanding of what you are talking about.

[Tiggy]

Because if monsters did this they could be locked down into ping pong aggro without doing any kind of attacks. Also, it would be possible to cancel their strong attacks by swapping hate.

"Terrible code" maybe, but I'm pretty sure you have no understanding of what you are talking about.

Game balance is something many people don't seem to grasp very well.

[Felis]

Having a reason to choose one skill over another is what we're lacking right now.

BLM still choose between their skills depending how many enemies are on one place, how much MP is still there, how good the tank can build enmity, how long the fight would last.

1 choice less is not the same as no choices.

Trouble is, it can't happen now because they've built the entire Black Mage class over a measly 3 elements. Black mage? More like a muddy-grey mage.

My opinion is that the solution to this would be putting all elemental spells back where they were originaly and give THM another job, like WHM (and give them their cone AoE back). They are priests after all and were the best healers while the CNJ were the ones who played with elements.

Even in the discussions which classes get WHM or BLM before the infos about it got announced, I was in the "give THM the WHM job" group.

[Lemuria]

BLM still choose between their skills depending how many enemies are on one place, how much MP is still there, how good the tank can build enmity, how long the fight would last.

1 choice less is not the same as no choices.

Black Mage gets what exactly? Spam fire until MP depletes, swap to Ice, go back to Fire once you've regened MP. Toss in a Thunder DoT for good measure when it drops. That's not really a 'choice', it's a rotation. And once you get into a rotation, it's pretty much the only way to play the class. Other jobs work in an identical fashion with their own rotations, excepting healers who at least are a bit more proactive.

I was absolutely furious when they removed half my nukes on Conjurer. This was, at the time, combined with a massive MP hike on spells meaning that I could literally cast only 4 cures before I was utterly drained. Still, I would have traded ALL of them to Thaumaturge if we'd still have something that still resembled a proper Black Mage.

[BloodPact]

Black Mage gets what exactly? Spam fire until MP depletes, swap to Ice, go back to Fire once you've regened MP. Toss in a Thunder DoT for good measure when it drops. That's not really a 'choice', it's a rotation. And once you get into a rotation, it's pretty much the only way to play the class. Other jobs work in an identical fashion with their own rotations, excepting healers who at least are a bit more proactive.

I was absolutely furious when they removed half my nukes on Conjurer. This was, at the time, combined with a massive MP hike on spells meaning that I could literally cast only 4 cures before I was utterly drained. Still, I would have traded ALL of them to Thaumaturge if we'd still have something that still resembled a proper Black Mage.

As long as it's not the Black Mage from XI where all you did was spam Thunder IV until out of MP then rest for 3 minutes. So much more complexity than this game...