SE Forgot to Add YouTube as a Requirement on Game Packaging/System Requirements?

[KaiKatzchen]

Because many players new to a dungeon expect others to type out what is already written out in a guide on certain websites. So instead of someone looking on the internet, they eexpect others to type out the exact same thing in party chat when they enter.

How many times do you see, "I'm new, what do I do?" or variations of. Or not even saying anything, even when it pops up theres a new player and then proceed to ask who's new to be met with silence?

So whats the difference between reading up beforehand and expecting someone to teach you after? One is using initiative, the other is putting demands on others who shouldn't be expected to cater to you, that's being pretty selfish and self centred. Players taking time to explain and give advice are a bonus, not your right to expect!

Which is worse?

Someone asking for help and admitting they are new and either getting the advice they need or being told politely: "Hey I'll help ya out, but also know there are good guides on the net that could help you as well so if you like to can look at them."

or

An experienced going into a low level dungeon knowing there might be new people in there. Telling them they suck. Telling them maybe they should change classes because obviously don't know what they are doing. Cussing, putting them down saying they should go read a guide or gtfo of the game. Kicking people out of a party because they are new, kicking people out of a party because they don't have the 'experience' that player feels they should have. Having an older player complain the whole run about how bad new players are and making them feel awful, or just saying 'oh god a n00b I don't want to run with a n00b - and leave party etc. (yes I have seen many of these things said to new players)

I'd rather someone say 'Hey I'm new, any help/advice' and helping them though it but also letting them know the resources are there if they choose to use them. Than be rude and make people feel like they are worthless. If a child just learned how to start coloring for the first time and colored outside the lines would people tell them their pictures sucks, learn to draw within the lines or gtfo. Probably not, we would tell them it's beautiful and then teach them to color within the lines. So why do players treat people who are learning like they are some plague that is wrong?

Have you never asked for advice from someone in the game be it DF, LS, FC? or did you do all of your learning though tutorials and videos, never once asking for help within the game. When you started a new class you'd never played before did you ask for advice from people or did you only rely on what people said online and in videos on how to learn it? If you never asked one question of people within the game and learned everything in this game on your own with the help of tutorials and videos only, then yes I suppose you can have that view towards others.

But I doubt the above is true, so in short... people are putting them down for doing what we do all the time. I know I ask for help from people, and I'm not ashamed of it.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Guess what? People who give advice when they're asked are also a resource. Ergo, newbies are actually using resources. People are just mad that said newbies are not using resources that has someone besides them explain the mechanics.

[FriendlyUncle]

There's a huge difference between doing this in a small party dungeon and a raid. Yeah I would expect everyone I am raiding with to at least know aspects of the fight, no different with TankSpot and WoW. You should have a general idea of what to do. Did I watch a video on how to do Halatai HM? No. Because that would be borderline retarded, 4 man content is not difficult or time consuming. My brother and I went into each of the new dungeons and launch and just figured out the new gimmicks in the process.

It literally takes half a minute to explain most of the mechanics in a dungeon. If 30 seconds of interaction with a new/inexperienced player can literally make or break your entire day you might want to reconsider this game. The roulette system was created exactly for this purpose, to help get new players through content up to the newest tier and to help them gear. Lower the queue times they would encounter without such a system. If you dont wanna deal with new players, avoid a system that was designed to assist new players. But of course, you can't give up on that precious tome bonus can you?

It's the trade of we make, get sweet tome bonus to the potential of assisting a new player. Honestly, the amount of butt hurt over the audacity of new players and people who've never played an MMO to be joining the FF community.

TL;DR It's a dungeon roulette created to help newbies, not SCoB

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Great contribution

[Teirshin]

Now player A has to put in more effort to teach player B. Player A already put in the time to learn the fight. Player A is not being lazy be refusing to explain stuff.

Player A is just being an anti-social tool for not wanting to help other people in a social game where the whole point is to interact with others.

Heaven forbid player A uses that almighty knowledge of what they've learned to help someone else and teach them.

Nope, cant do that, too concerned with their own gains to care.

WoW had a better community at pretty much all stages compared to what I see around FFXIV most nights.

In the end, I blame a lot of parents for raising spoiled rotten kids who have no concept of respect and acceptable social behavior and that think the world revolves only around them, both in and out of game.

Pssst.... here's a secret... it doesnt!

[Gucci_Charms]

I just reviewed my thread, and I seriously didn't expect this many views or pages of comments lol. Some interesting stuff in here.

[KaiKatzchen]

I just reviewed my thread, and I seriously didn't expect this many views or pages of comments lol. Some interesting stuff in here.

Well its a good point, and one of many threads that I have seen in the last week talking about how 1) people treat one another in this game period and 2) How people treat new players when their only fault is being new and inexperienced.

Having a friend who had just started, and had to deal with someone putting them down for a silly reason, I don't want her or anyone else to feel like they are bad just because they are new. It's been an issue for a while that myself and others have brought up many times, and it needs to change.

[Amberion]

Player A is just being an anti-social tool for not wanting to help other people in a social game where the whole point is to interact with others.

That would be like calling a retired teacher who doesn't teach children anymore anti-social tool.

It's not their job.

In the end, I blame a lot of parents for raising spoiled rotten kids who have no concept of respect and acceptable social behavior and that think the world revolves only around them, both in and out of game.

So when you want to learn something new, you expect random person B to help you out? Now who was raised to be a spoiled brat and thinks the world revolves around them?

When I want to learn something, I look up the information myself. Or maybe ask a friend or family member. I don't expect a person I don't know to do it for me. And if some random person decides to help me, I'm grateful since I know he has no obligation to help me.

[Moqi]

That would be like calling a retired teacher who doesn't teach children anymore anti-social tool.

It's not their job.

It takes 30 seconds at most to explain most strats... why are people acting like it's a big deal. You know what takes more time than that though? Coming to the forum to whine about players asking for advice.

[Teirshin]

That would be like calling a retired teacher who doesn't teach children anymore anti-social tool.

It's not their job.



So when you want to learn something new, you expect random person B to help you out? Now who was raised to be a spoiled brat and thinks the world revolves around them?

When I want to learn something, I look up the information myself. Or maybe ask a friend or family member. I don't expect a person I don't know to do it for me. And if some random person decides to help me, I'm grateful since I know he has no obligation to help me.

I never said it was their "job", they should WANT TO help others. If you dont, then yes, you're an anti-social tool.

Why play a social game with others if you're only going to care about yourself? Ah yes, that "special snowflake" attitude that parents teach nowadays..... that would explain a lot.

A retired teacher isnt anti-social, they worked all their life teaching. Player A didnt, and is thus an anti-social tool. The two arent even close to being simliar, so you get an F for your example.

Oh, and going by your example of a retired teacher.... to be equivalent, someone would have to be done playing the game, just like the teacher is done teaching, which they arent, they're actively playing, so... if they dont want to be labeled an anti-social tool, then start helping, or stop playing the game and be "retired".

The average teacher in this world sacrifices a lot more time, money and dignity than you do by making it their goal to teach kids. So to think that you're "sacrificing" in game by having to teach someone, is pathetic.