SE Forgot to Add YouTube as a Requirement on Game Packaging/System Requirements?

[TeaTimeBear]

He has a good point though - What does make the 3 people wrong that also did their research and done it before, but not the person who (most of the time) won't do research? You can explain it, sure, but when most of the time you try to explain something you get:

"DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO I DO WATEVA I WANT!"
"(EXPLETIVE!)"
"ELITIST!"

and so on, you really don't bother trying to explain to people...especially the ones who remain silent but are obvious new then get offended when you tell them they're doing x wrong or if they actually know what's going on. Watching a quick 4-5 minute over view video or reading a wiki for general idea is why they're there. I bet people read/watch tutorials on other things no problem.

This is what I said in a similar thread. I feel like there's just no middle ground you can't be nice and you can't say no without someone's feeling hurt by either..

It's basically firing blind and hoping for the best.. I really think this just stems from how the game is currently structured. Everyone is on edge wondering which random has a knife to their back, and sooner expects the worse rather than best of the community.

[YeaniNah]

He has a good point though - What does make the 3 people wrong that also did their research and done it before, but not the person who (most of the time) won't do research? You can explain it, sure, but when most of the time you try to explain something you get:

"DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO I DO WATEVA I WANT!"
"(EXPLETIVE!)"
"ELITIST!"

and so on, you really don't bother trying to explain to people...especially the ones who remain silent but are obvious new then get offended when you tell them they're doing x wrong or if they actually know what's going on. Watching a quick 4-5 minute over view video or reading a wiki for general idea is why they're there. I bet people read/watch tutorials on other things no problem.

ok so you that what reason that make you put all new people or first timer the same as them. Those people like that are totaly different they dont want to get advice so you put your rage from those hardhead player on new kind player that are willing to learn ???

Just wow. those player normaly never ask help when they act like that they event dont say hello just want to finish the dungeon and forget about the 3 other member that help him... that mean you are allowed to just ditch the party cos he being rude for just an friendly advice. But being mean to a new friendly player who just want to learn by trying and have fun is kinda harsh dont you think?

[Amberion]

Hey if all you wanna be is right here's your cookie, no one has to explain anything to anyone because everybody can Google things. Grats! You don't look ridiculous at all arguing for pages about it "not being an obligation" over a 30 seconds explanation.

Excuse me then for being a bit upset by someone saying that a person who don't want to teach someone, is a.. ahh yes, antisocial tool. The kind of animosity that exist towards veteran gamers from people here are astounding.

And I'm actually happy for you that you have gotten 0 very bad new players in your groups. For me it was around 50/50. Not so much rude, just never says anything even if I ask.

Not sure if it's language barrier issues or something.

[DishSoap]

Did someone really just compare videos of a video game with the history of the real life world in terms of importance? Really? Seriously?

I... Don't... Even...

Maybe you need to take a break from gaming and see what the world is like if you feel a game holds that much importance.

It's macro to micro comparison. Do you really not understand something that basic?

It's people like you who make MMO communities such a bad place. Instead of treating it as a real life situation with consequences to your actions and interactions with real people you treat it as "just a game". If you do something wrong you don't expect to be punished for it because it's "just a game". You don't think about other peoples feelings and opinions because it's "just a game". You don't learn from others or your own mistakes because it's "just a game".

[Alukah]

I don't understand what you're trying to say. Your comment is not related to the context of mine.

I had the perception that you were replying/contributing to the topic, agreeing with those who think people should watch videos.

Her point made perfect sense though - Research is important no matter what. It's there for you, you can't play this game unless you have an internet connection, meaning you have all of the resources available to you in some fashion. No computer? Your ps3/Ps4 can browse info for the most part. Chances are you have a smartphone as well.

No PS3/PS4? You're obviously not playing the game then.

In this game it's not just research, it's straight out cheating considering everything is scripted, videos tell you exactly what and when will happen, not much of a guide, it kills the fun of the learning stage.

One thing I do agree with you is that it's not unreasonable to skip the learning stage for very old fights, but hullbreaker is hardly old, it was added in the last major patch. Dungeons in general are easy enough that it doesn't justify skipping the fun of the learning part just because a few people are impatient.

As for the quote, I agree with the core point Ispano tried to make, saying that all all guides should be deleted is ridiculous, though the history book analogy seems a bit inappropriate in this context.

[Tupsi]

Only thing though, while it tells you 100%, people still can't get T5 down or even beat Turn 6 with all the info and videos available - It just simply means some people aren't able to clear content. I can watch a video of a swordsman slicing apples being hurled at him, doesn't mean I'll automatically master it

It's more like it's a guide to give you a general idea, you still have to actually be there to get the feel of battle. Going in completely blind on older content when this game doesn't get a flood of new people everyday is why some people get absolutely livid when you don't watch a video. It's always more fun to go in blind and hope for the best...if you're in a pre-made group or state specifically in PF before hand.

[ispano]

In this game it's not just research, it's straight out cheating considering everything is scripted, videos tell you exactly what and when will happen, not much of a guide, it kills the fun of the learning stage.

One thing I do agree with you is that it's not unreasonable to skip the learning stage for very old fights, but hullbreaker is hardly old, it was added in the last major patch. Dungeons in general are easy enough that it doesn't justify skipping the fun of the learning part just because a few people are impatient.

As for the quote, I agree with the core point Ispano tried to make, saying that all all guides should be deleted is ridiculous, though the history book analogy seems a bit inappropriate in this context.

Except it's not. I will be one of the many that will agree that learning from a guide or video is nothing like experiencing it yourself. Even for people who can pick up mechanics easily from watching someone else do it, ie from a video, there's an even smaller amount of those people who can actually learn from that experience and improve upon it. Most of those who can pick it up from the video, just imitate it. Once things change, the flaw presents itself. But in the end, the person still has to execute the mechanics and clear the content, the guide or video doesn't do it for him or allow him to ignore the mechanics, like a cheat would.

Also, Hullbreaker is most certainly old. How much of the population do you believe is truly new to that dungeon in comparison to those who are not? Not saying you need guides or anything, or enforcing it either, but it's still old in the scheme of things.

[Luvbunny]

Really cannot blame the person who rage quit. FF14 is a game that is so heavy handed when it comes to spoon feed you, type everything for you, giving you bazilion message "please do THIS". The problem is, people DO NOT read, and too dumb to function.... They want NOW, ZERG everything, SPEED RUN, GIMME GIMME, ESC Skip ALL!!

If you manage to get to Hullbreaker Isle, let's hope there is some resemblance of "I can use my brain" and understand the game mechanic. As for OP, he is not new to this, so if he is tank, he controls the game flow. STOP before every boss, give explanation on how to do it, which is fairly simple.

Boss 1. Kill Adds, FAST, DPS stop focusing on boss when add spawns.... Have your healer click the banana tree when Boss is raging and AOE everyone. Repeat.

Boss 2. Kill Boss. Avoid AOE, DO NOT Run into the bubble, WAIT till the boss goes under and create a whirlwind, by this stage there should be a good 4-5 bubbles, when it whirlwind swirl, goes inside the bubble. Don't go in too early. Repeat...

Boss 3. 4 islands, 2 "tentacles" each, kill them on EACH island, 2 at a time. When you get green mark, you use the water jets to jump to another island, dump the cyclone there. Go back kill boss. Find the "main tentacle" that hops around between islands, kill it, watch for your green mark and the island with whirlwind cyclone.

This game has big problems with DPS suffering from tunnel vision and brain freeze... If you plan to play DPS, FFS, DEAL with ADDS and GAME Mechanics, stop thinking its auto attack spam buttons while I sit my ass, and HEAL!!! FLASH!!! PROVOKE!!! Otherwise play a much easier job which is tank and healer Learn to assume responsibility and share your roles and duties.

[Tupsi]

The funny part is, ranged DPS can nuke down the arms safely from a distance, so if you end up with ranged DPS, they can split off and make the final boss that much easier than it already is. (Cept for the main 2, which still takes your team.)

[revonine]

I'm just gonna move to the flank for my Dragon Kic...now I'm in a bubble.
I've learned everything from Second Coil to EX primals by doing them. Now I execute them like a playlist and I go full auto. I take in next to nothing by watching videos because that's the kinda person I am.
That being said I understand both sides, if your running the same thing day in day out people will get easily frustrated when it doesn't go smoothly and worse still if they're unwilling to take advice so we can clear like Mae's scenario above.
HOWEVER that's no excuse for the way he spoke to you and as others suggested I would also suggest reporting him.
I love it when there's a new player to help in an instance I really do (if they are willing to accept my help), it breaks up the monotony of yet another roulette and you can walk away feeling those commendations were actually deserved.