SE Forgot to Add YouTube as a Requirement on Game Packaging/System Requirements?

[Sapphic]

How many times have people asking "who's new?" added to that "it's not a problem, I'll help if you don't know what to do." Add that and you're more likely to avoid the stunned silence.

What I'm saying is that too many to type out the info that's already available with very minimal effort, even less effort than it takes someone to type it out during the dungeon. There are people willing to teach, that's why they made guides easily available to all. In practially all cases, more indepth than a few words rush typed in party chat. Someone running tank for the first time with no concept of tanking due to skipping class quests etc going into a dungeon and expecting others to cater to them, how is that fair on everyone else involved? Going in with a pre-made party, either made through PF (which I assume we both can agree on needs an obvious tutorial to pop up when your first dungeon opens up in the main scenario) on that premise is great as no expectations of strangers involved.

Yes the above does happen.

The point of games is to have fun, if the "fun" of one impacts the fun of the other 3/7 then there's an issue.

[KaiKatzchen]

Because many players new to a dungeon expect others to type out what is already written out in a guide on certain websites. So instead of someone looking on the internet, they eexpect others to type out the exact same thing in party chat when they enter.

How many times do you see, "I'm new, what do I do?" or variations of. Or not even saying anything, even when it pops up theres a new player and then proceed to ask who's new to be met with silence?

So whats the difference between reading up beforehand and expecting someone to teach you after? One is using initiative, the other is putting demands on others who shouldn't be expected to cater to you, that's being pretty selfish and self centred. Players taking time to explain and give advice are a bonus, not your right to expect!

Which is worse?

Someone asking for help and admitting they are new and either getting the advice they need or being told politely: "Hey I'll help ya out, but also know there are good guides on the net that could help you as well so if you like to can look at them."

or

An experienced going into a low level dungeon knowing there might be new people in there. Telling them they suck. Telling them maybe they should change classes because obviously don't know what they are doing. Cussing, putting them down saying they should go read a guide or gtfo of the game. Kicking people out of a party because they are new, kicking people out of a party because they don't have the 'experience' that player feels they should have. Having an older player complain the whole run about how bad new players are and making them feel awful, or just saying 'oh god a n00b I don't want to run with a n00b - and leave party etc. (yes I have seen many of these things said to new players)

I'd rather someone say 'Hey I'm new, any help/advice' and helping them though it but also letting them know the resources are there if they choose to use them. Than be rude and make people feel like they are worthless. If a child just learned how to start coloring for the first time and colored outside the lines would people tell them their pictures sucks, learn to draw within the lines or gtfo. Probably not, we would tell them it's beautiful and then teach them to color within the lines. So why do players treat people who are learning like they are some plague that is wrong?

Have you never asked for advice from someone in the game be it DF, LS, FC? or did you do all of your learning though tutorials and videos, never once asking for help within the game. When you started a new class you'd never played before did you ask for advice from people or did you only rely on what people said online and in videos on how to learn it? If you never asked one question of people within the game and learned everything in this game on your own with the help of tutorials and videos only, then yes I suppose you can have that view towards others.

But I doubt the above is true, so in short... people are putting them down for doing what we do all the time. I know I ask for help from people, and I'm not ashamed of it.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Guess what? People who give advice when they're asked are also a resource. Ergo, newbies are actually using resources. People are just mad that said newbies are not using resources that has someone besides them explain the mechanics.

[FriendlyUncle]

There's a huge difference between doing this in a small party dungeon and a raid. Yeah I would expect everyone I am raiding with to at least know aspects of the fight, no different with TankSpot and WoW. You should have a general idea of what to do. Did I watch a video on how to do Halatai HM? No. Because that would be borderline retarded, 4 man content is not difficult or time consuming. My brother and I went into each of the new dungeons and launch and just figured out the new gimmicks in the process.

It literally takes half a minute to explain most of the mechanics in a dungeon. If 30 seconds of interaction with a new/inexperienced player can literally make or break your entire day you might want to reconsider this game. The roulette system was created exactly for this purpose, to help get new players through content up to the newest tier and to help them gear. Lower the queue times they would encounter without such a system. If you dont wanna deal with new players, avoid a system that was designed to assist new players. But of course, you can't give up on that precious tome bonus can you?

It's the trade of we make, get sweet tome bonus to the potential of assisting a new player. Honestly, the amount of butt hurt over the audacity of new players and people who've never played an MMO to be joining the FF community.

TL;DR It's a dungeon roulette created to help newbies, not SCoB

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Great contribution

[Gucci_Charms]

I just reviewed my thread, and I seriously didn't expect this many views or pages of comments lol. Some interesting stuff in here.

[KaiKatzchen]

I just reviewed my thread, and I seriously didn't expect this many views or pages of comments lol. Some interesting stuff in here.

Well its a good point, and one of many threads that I have seen in the last week talking about how 1) people treat one another in this game period and 2) How people treat new players when their only fault is being new and inexperienced.

Having a friend who had just started, and had to deal with someone putting them down for a silly reason, I don't want her or anyone else to feel like they are bad just because they are new. It's been an issue for a while that myself and others have brought up many times, and it needs to change.

[Souljacker]

What in the world is going on with our community?! It is nothing like FFXI, too many aggressive and rude players. .___.

It will taper off soon enough. XIV is riding high on the tail end of a WoW xpac. Everyone is bored with Pandaria, they have done everything, and all the wings have been released. So, they are here, and scattered in some other random mmos. WoD is coming, though, and when it hits a good chunk of the playerbase (especially those who tend to be the more aggressive\mean players) will leave.

I say give it some time and report back in late December when the community has shifted again and stabilized to be more of what we remembered from XI (not that the community there was anything to brag about, but it certainly wasn't the cesspool we see in XIV today).

SE could help out by not introducing systems of exclusivity and battles that just test your internet connection instead of your knowledge of the game, but I don't see anything short of another mass exodus waking them up. So, just wait until December when all that is left are people who genuinely enjoy the game and see it as their long-term home.

[Tupsi]

(not that the community there was anything to brag about, but it certainly wasn't the cesspool we see in XIV today)

You sure as hell don't forget some of the experiences when you're playing an MMO designed as an actual world and the people in it are actual inhabitants rather than us just..being there lagging up cities till people go into an instance. People always love to say 'rose colored glasses' or 'nostalgia', but I had more memorable moments in 1.x than I did in ARR honestly..and it quite honestly is due to how the community tends to be.

You may or may not run into that same person again due to server grouping, but when you do and remember them, oh boy the salt that makes the run feel that much more "let me get my item and go" A lot of times in XI I like when some raids got drawn out because i loved the location and seeing OTHER people doing their own raids within same area even if it's competition for some pop items.

[TeaTimeBear]

Very scary to read replies here.. I think lore might be wrong. On paper we're warriors of light but the human element changes that so drastically. If the warrior of light can't be bothered to teach during a dungeon without breaking down then what hope is there for Eorzea..? ;;