Why is shield swipe so bad?

[reality_check]

The added pacification debuff makes it seem like you should be timing this to interrupt enemy specials. Except the timing is so tight you can't. And every single significant enemy is immune to pacification.

And, the fact that it's on the Global Cooldown means you have to interrupt everything you're doing to activate it.

Seems broken. Please fix.

[Bucy]

Pacification is too situational. It doesn't interrupt anything that is being cast and doesn't last very long.

My solution to making Shield Swipe worthwhile is to make it so that it bonuses Rage of Halone.

[ispano]

Pacification is too situational. It doesn't interrupt anything that is being cast and doesn't last very long.

My solution to making Shield Swipe worthwhile is to make it so that it bonuses Rage of Halone.

Yeah it will. If the debuff applies before the ability finishes, the ability just never happens. Done it plenty of times.

[Histoire]

It isn't.

/thread

[abzoluut]

I hope this is one of the abilities they will change/adjust for PLD's.

On a side node, there are so many PLD threads out here regarding PLD gameplay in general. There have been several about shield swipe only too. Maybe it's an idea to reply to such a thread. It think it has more weight than a new thread covering the same subject.

[saeedaisspecial]

"Why is one of my best DPS abilities so bad"
lol

[reality_check]

"Why is one of my best DPS abilities so bad"
lol

This is a DPS ability? Potency is 10 more than savage blade. The average potency of paladin 1-2-3 combo is 206. You basically add 4 potency onto one ability by interrupting your 1-2-3 combo to use shield swipe. Try again.

[Geobryn]

... You basically add 4 potency onto one ability by interrupting your 1-2-3 combo to use shield swipe ...

it does NOT interrupt 123 ....

[reality_check]

it does NOT interrupt 123 ....

Let's say you do 10 global cooldowns in a short fight.

Method 1:
150, 200, 260, 150, 200, 260, 150, 200, 260, 150. Total Potency of GCD abilities you did: 1980

Method 2:
150, 200, 210 (shield swipe), 260, 150, 200, 260, 150, 200, 260: 2040


In a short 10 GCD fight, you gain 3% DPS by using Shield Swipe, and this is only your GCD DPS. It will result in LESS DPS gain after you add Spirits within and Circle in the totals. If the fight only lasted 9 GCD, you would actually LOSE DPS from using Shield Swipe because you spent a GCD on shield swipe instead of building to Rage of Halone faster. This is what I meant by interrupting. I understand that it doesn't STOP the combo; I never said that it does.

The ability is awful. It is not even close to "your best DPS ability."

[Gilthas]

Let's say you do 10 global cooldowns in a short fight.

Method 1:
150, 200, 260, 150, 200, 260, 150, 200, 260, 150. Total Potency of GCD abilities you did: 1980

Method 2:
150, 200, 210 (shield swipe), 260, 150, 200, 260, 150, 200, 260: 2040


In a short 10 GCD fight, you gain 3% DPS by using Shield Swipe, and this is only your GCD DPS. It will result in LESS DPS gain after you add Spirits within and Circle in the totals. If the fight only lasted 9 GCD, you would actually LOSE DPS from using Shield Swipe because you spent a GCD on shield swipe instead of building to Rage of Halone faster. This is what I meant by interrupting. I understand that it doesn't STOP the combo; I never said that it does.

The ability is awful. It is not even close to "your best DPS ability."

This is such a flawed argument. So how much DPS does an ability need to add for it to stop being awful?