A possible solution to endgame lockouts

[Nutz]

I like the premise, but I think it might be more appropriate to be stricter about the loot lock out. For example, you only get the full amount of loot if all 8 players have not cleared the content that week. You get half if between 1 and 3 players have cleared, and you are ineligible for loot if half or more of the team has already cleared. People who have cleared that week aren't able to cast lots on whatever loot may drop.

This way you could help people get a clear and perhaps a limited amount of loot, but run selling shouldn't ramp up much. More people being able to run with friends who already have statics might actually decrease demand for run selling and this system wouldn't be any more friendly to the sellers than what we have currently (except to sell clears only without loot).

[ispano]

I like the premise, but I think it might be more appropriate to be stricter about the loot lock out. For example, you only get the full amount of loot if all 8 players have not cleared the content that week. You get half if between 1 and 3 players have cleared, and you are ineligible for loot if half or more of the team has already cleared. People who have cleared that week aren't able to cast lots on whatever loot may drop.

This way you could help people get a clear and perhaps a limited amount of loot, but run selling shouldn't ramp up much. More people being able to run with friends who already have statics might actually decrease demand for run selling and this system wouldn't be any more friendly to the sellers than what we have currently (except to sell clears only without loot).

The problem is that people think the issue SE has is the actual SELLING of runs. It's not. It's with people getting geared from content by leaning on those who are more skilled than them, without being as skilled themselves. Whether it's done via selling or not. Many people don't have an issue carrying friends and such who aren't quite as good as them, but SE doesn't want that while the content is current.

[Antanias]

I like the premise, but I think it might be more appropriate to be stricter about the loot lock out. For example, you only get the full amount of loot if all 8 players have not cleared the content that week. You get half if between 1 and 3 players have cleared, and you are ineligible for loot if half or more of the team has already cleared. People who have cleared that week aren't able to cast lots on whatever loot may drop.

This way you could help people get a clear and perhaps a limited amount of loot, but run selling shouldn't ramp up much. More people being able to run with friends who already have statics might actually decrease demand for run selling and this system wouldn't be any more friendly to the sellers than what we have currently (except to sell clears only without loot).

That could also work, or add in something that detects whether or not everyone's in the same free company and prevent the pox from spreading in that particular case.

[AttacKat]

What if there was a system that allowed you to participate in content as much as you wanted with whoever you wanted, but prevented people from obtaining loot and selling runs?

Make all high end gear crafted, and NOT loots freebies.

This will balance the economy, as well as making crafting a necessity instead of just a 2nd hand citizens with useless items to sell.

Let supply and demand be the true balance of this game, not how many runs you can repeat in a dungeon.

[KyrsIsley]

The problem is that people think the issue SE has is the actual SELLING of runs. It's not. It's with people getting geared from content by leaning on those who are more skilled than them, without being as skilled themselves. Whether it's done via selling or not. Many people don't have an issue carrying friends and such who aren't quite as good as them, but SE doesn't want that while the content is current.

This.
Combined with the fact that it is tricky to figure out a fair way to determine what is the fair amount of loot to drop when you have people already cleared on the week of helping you out.
It'd be easier if SE just implement a practice mode where the difficulty stays the same but no loot is given. This not only allows people to take their friends in for practice. It will also allow players who have beaten the content on the week of to go in polish up their rotation. A few of my static members run EX primals or ST constantly throughout the week trying to sharpen up their rotation, but it's just not the same with the difficulty/challenge provided by these content in comparison to Coil.

[whiskeybravo]

This.
Combined with the fact that it is tricky to figure out a fair way to determine what is the fair amount of loot to drop when you have people already cleared on the week of helping you out.
It'd be easier if SE just implement a practice mode where the difficulty stays the same but no loot is given. This not only allows people to take their friends in for practice. It will also allow players who have beaten the content on the week of to go in polish up their rotation. A few of my static members run EX primals or ST constantly throughout the week trying to sharpen up their rotation, but it's just not the same with the difficulty/challenge provided by these content in comparison to Coil.

I would definitely be in favor of a practice mode. +1

[Estellios]

I think I could go for a no-loot/story-only mode since my biggest beef about the lockout is the FC members with spotty playtimes or occasional work/family interruptions don't get the practice they need.

Token thing seems cool though and could potentially prevent you from being RNG-screwed. Say, you get a token for clearing a turn, 2-3 tokens for a piece of gear, no more tokens for repeat attempts. You could still sell clears but it's less harmful as everyone progresses at the same rate instead of one person getting a ton of items and a huge power jump.

[raelgun]

Or people need to deal they dont need every single piece of raid gear out there and actually take a breather, gear is a tool, its not what you need, and theres nothing wrong with being behind those who are well in the front, the issue stems from personal issues from this playerbase, not the loot system, people just cant deal with others better then themselves and being behind.

[ruskie]

I like the idea of the Pox... would be something like the common cold I guess(harmless in general but just annoying to deal with). But I'd put it this way once you clear a turn you con't get any loot from that turn. Simple as that. I don't care for sellers etc... they are a minority - I don't care for them and those that buy(but I can at times understand some needing to buy - simply finding 7 others to play with due to various reasons - seen people in PF go I will pay X amount of gil to each person that helps me clear it).

But just having the loot lockout that once you are done with that turn you can't loot on it would be sufficient. Call it Allagan Pox if you want it doesn't matter to me hehe.

There is only so much you can do during a week in general. And if this would help these groups help out with the new players joining in it would be nice. I would add one limitation. At the start of the coil let it be as it is now. At first patch(so X.Y5) reduce that lockout to this.

[Nicobo]

Please realise the purpose of lockout is not let you win it again (win it for others) in the week. ^^;