Increase the Penalty For Those Who Leave After Getting Loot

[NorthernLadMSP]

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You're missing my point. Why? Because I never advocated for 4-hour penalties like the OP is suggesting. I also have never once complained or even commented on having more competition for Oils. Hell, I've won three Oils from ST as well as an Allagan tomestone and the Onion Knight. I could really care less if a new person gives me "more competion" for the item I want.

My point goes beyond just ST. It goes to anyone and everyone who enters a random DF queue for ANYTHING, obtains their item, and ditches everyone immediately after.

I'm really not going to explain myself any further. I've wasted enough of my time here. Good day now.

[Risvertasashi]

My point goes beyond just ST. It goes to anyone and everyone who enters a random DF queue for ANYTHING, obtains their item, and ditches everyone immediately after.

I'm really not going to explain myself any further. I've wasted enough of my time here. Good day now.

While I would call ditching after loot rude... you can't really "outlaw" rude behavior, or in this context, no amount of systemization is really going to get rid of it. In reference to the OP, I think 30 minutes is enough discouragement. If they're willing to eat 30 minutes, they aren't going to stay just because it's suddenly 4 hours (they might AFK instead though).

In reference to your posts in particular... yeah, people shouldn't do it... but people will be people. Most we can do is not do it ourselves, hope others pass it on (but many won't), and carry on.

[LineageRazor]

Oooh, I gotcha. So, in a four man dungeon that's a no-no. But, in Syrcus Tower it's totally acceptable. Got it. No double standards there.

ST and 4-player instances are apples and oranges. In ST, if a player drops - EVEN if it's a Tank or Healer that drops - the run can still proceed normally. Every fight is easily doable with only two tanks, and I know from personal experience as a healer that your Full Party in any of the fights can be solo-healed. The loss of a member in a 4-man is crippling. The loss of a member in a 24-player is a hiccup. The only way ST will be crippled is if a ton of folks drop at once - and even then, they will likely be replaced much faster than the same folks would in a 4-player.

So, yes, in a 4-player dungeon it's a no-no, but in Syrcus Tower it's totally acceptable, without there being any double standard.

Is the person dropping providing any kind of "service" they should be commended for? Of course not - they are acting in their own self-interest. To say it's harmful, though, is an exaggeration.

[Volcano]

It's become so common i that almost expect it now, is why i simply stopped passing untill the next fight starts, at least they can stay untill that fight ends. it's pretty sad saying congrats to someone and they drop party right after, you can't help but feel awkward after that.

It is and will always be a selfish move, No matter how you sugar coat it and look at it. people will try to justifiy why they do it "oh, i'm just giving someone else a chance at lotting" and other fail excuses. but they know full well what this act is.

To me it has nothing to do with seeing them as competition for items or not, as the people who do stay the whole run mostly want items off the last floor anyway. it's just someone simply saying "well, i got what i wanted so eff you, i'm out"

Sadly, there is nothing you can do about it, so long as SE has these lock outs, no one will be motivated to finish the runs outside only what they are after. There isn't single run i have been on that at least 3-5 people don't bail after, it's a very common thing.

[ispano]

I find it hard to believe people would afk out of a group for tomestones that get iLVL70 gear when they could stay and get tomestones that yeild iLVL90/100 instead. Philosophy grants Darklight gear, not the relic recolor.

Doesn't matter if you find it hard to believe. People ALREADY do it. Making the punishment worse, like you asked for, would make it more common.

[Limecat]

It's pretty sad saying congrats to someone and they drop party right after, you can't help but feel awkward after that.

I think congratulating people for getting an ST or normal 4-player drop is kinda pointless. It happens constantly, it's not a game-changing accomplishment. It'd be like trying to keep congratulating everyone in an Abyssea alliance for every level/merit point they gain when someone is getting one practically every other mob that dies.

[Volcano]

I think congratulating people for getting an ST or normal 4-player drop is kinda pointless. It happens constantly, it's not a game-changing accomplishment. It'd be like trying to keep congratulating everyone in an Abyssea alliance for every level/merit point they gain when someone is getting one practically every other mob that dies.

When you see someone in an ilvl 60 body or AF piece as and they just got scylla robe, that indeed deserves a congrats. Got to know when to place them. But seeing someone in a ilvl 100-110 peice and then needing on a item, weaker then what they already have ( i assume for glamour) then yea, no real need.

[Buff_Archer]

It's become so common i that almost expect it now, is why i simply stopped passing untill the next fight starts, at least they can stay untill that fight ends. it's pretty sad saying congrats to someone and they drop party right after, you can't help but feel awkward after that.

Try this, next time say "Congrats..." with the three dots at the end, and if they don't bail leave it at that. If they do, follow up with "... @$$hole" or whatever may be your insult of choice. They won't see it but you'll get a bit of gratification from it.

[SeekerScorpio]

These Mort Goldman's and their Oils of Time are starting to get on my nerves. Okay here's how you stop these kinds of Mort Goldmans:

It's become so common i that almost expect it now, is why i simply stopped passing untill the next fight starts, at least they can stay untill that fight ends. it's pretty sad saying congrats to someone and they drop party right after, you can't help but feel awkward after that.

It is and will always be a selfish move, No matter how you sugar coat it and look at it. people will try to justifiy why they do it "oh, i'm just giving someone else a chance at lotting" and other fail excuses. but they know full well what this act is.

To me it has nothing to do with seeing them as competition for items or not, as the people who do stay the whole run mostly want items off the last floor anyway. it's just someone simply saying "well, i got what i wanted so eff you, i'm out"

Sadly, there is nothing you can do about it, so long as SE has these lock outs, no one will be motivated to finish the runs outside only what they are after. There isn't single run i have been on that at least 3-5 people don't bail after, it's a very common thing.

You see them pulling this idiotic stunt for their Oils maybe UAT when you do win your loot in the middle of the fight (since the loot time on average usually transpires after adds and a good portion of the time during the boss fight) just die on purpose and leave (literally every boss has a near or insta death in this place bosses 2-4). When that happens a person will take your spot and their precious oil is going to get rolled on (even though at this point in the game most people want alt gear, but whatever they like to think they're 100% right). This whole "lol I think I'm clever forcing stays just so i have less people to roll against" will keep getting countered by other methods I will present. You know what's fun about their approach of forcing stays? Doing it on last boss since it's all vanity with a very low chance and REALLY low soldiery and having someone come in mid boss fight roll oils/UAT and have a nice day. None of you will this mentality will force stays... good luck! Not many people care about the vanity low chance junk at the end (which can't even be sold which if it could may cause a small amount to stay, but w/e) and the myth and soldiery is too low. 1 Full credit A or just a quick pop on daily trial roulette and I made more than 2 bosses and 1 final (with the A) or all 4 with trial (well tie with soldiery, but it's not so much about the soldiery) in MUCH less time spent in ST. Keep chaining the ideas. Your methods are just as legal as the ones I will mention. Keeping items < "whoops death". Can't prove it was intentional like how others can't prove you're intentionally holding items for your own reasons (like having less people to roll against) .

[cryptic_angel]

I remember grinding for the casting legs a few weeks back. I think I ran about 8-10 STs over the course of that week. I totally bailed after getting those pants.

I would have bailed if SE game me a three day penalty. At some point, you just get fed up grinding the same dungeon over and over again.