Darkhold expert mode?

[Preypacer]

the "if you don't like it, don't do it" argument never works. It really didn't work in FFXI. Example: Player X goes to a ground king fight with DRK. He shows up in a Hauberk. His team sees that he doesn't have Adaman Hauberk. *kick* Yeah, that works well.

Umm... what?

I'm sorry, did the discussion suddenly change rails at some point between my post and yours?

We're talking about an optional "difficult" version of a given dungeon for people who might be interested in doing it in XIV. You suddenly come out of the blue with talk about not having the proper gear for a HNM fight in XI.

One has nothing to do with the other.

"If you don't like it, don't do it" is perfectly appropriate. Each and every player makes their own decisions on whether or not something is interesting enough to them to partake in or not. Each and every activity presents every single player with the same requirements and risks for the same possible rewards. No one is given special treatment. Some find it interesting enough to dedicate time to participating in. Others don't.

If an "expert mode" is added to dungeons and you don't find it to be worth your while, then don't join expert mode runs. Join normal difficulty runs instead.

That *you* personally wouldn't want to do something is not a reason to not provide to others who would. The game does not revolve around you and what you do or don't want.

Yes, I made a thread about problems with the game and one of them was in regards to the ogre's tp spam at the start of the fight. With proper tank-to-mage coordination, we figured out a way around that, yet I would still change a few things on the dungeon itself. I want challenging content. I always have, but there are some things that just shouldn't be. The r25 dungeon is mid level content and is similar to Dynamis. Dynamis did not have a level cap. This "expert" mode is not new content. It is just reusing old content and making way for more elitist derps that do nothing BUT play the game. No, I wouldn't be jealous if there were others that would like to do the dungeon on a harder level, but if they want to have more of a challenge on existing content, they could run in with a group of 45s with only 1 healer. How's that for expert mode?

"More elitist derps"...? You are seriously way too hung up up on the whole "elitist" thing. "Oh, they're able to do more difficult content than I am or want to... They must be elitist derps..."

Using different party set ups, or going with lower level characters would be ways to run the dungeon in both normal and "difficult" mode. One does not preclude the other. That's not the same as having a harder difficulty level.

A more difficult mode could present different monster setups, placing tougher monsters in more challenging arrangements, it could require more complex and choreographed boss strategies. It could include more difficult requirements to spawn all the chests. It would be a more challenging presentation of the entire dungeon, not just "making what's already there harder".

Seriously, to want to refuse others content they would enjoy because you're hung-up over and apparently threatened by "elitists", is self-centeredness in its most blatant form. That you'd want to deny others some options *they'd* enjoy because you harbor insecurities about your place among other players (something you regularly demonstrate in your posts) it is pretty sad.

Elitists are going to be elitists no matter what content is added, or how difficult it is. If they don't latch on to one thing, they'll latch on to another.

Some advice:
1) Grow a thicker skin and learn to ignore the elitists. It's really not difficult.
2) Find a group of players who share your preference and style of gameplay
3) Have fun doing what you want and enjoy.
4) Stop worrying about "what others are doing", including the "elitists", and play for your own enjoyment. You'll be happier for it.

I've followed that advice myself for years now... and it's worked out in spades for me.

[Dubont]

Umm... what?

I'm sorry, did the discussion suddenly change rails at some point between my post and yours?

We're talking about an optional "difficult" version of a given dungeon for people who might be interested in doing it in XIV. You suddenly come out of the blue with talk about not having the proper gear for a HNM fight in XI.

One has nothing to do with the other.

"If you don't like it, don't do it" is perfectly appropriate. Each and every player makes their own decisions on whether or not something is interesting enough to them to partake in or not. Each and every activity presents every single player with the same requirements and risks for the same possible rewards. No one is given special treatment. Some find it interesting enough to dedicate time to participating in. Others don't.

If an "expert mode" is added to dungeons and you don't find it to be worth your while, then don't join expert mode runs. Join normal difficulty runs instead.

That *you* personally wouldn't want to do something is not a reason to not provide to others who would. The game does not revolve around you and what you do or don't want.




"More elitist derps"...? You are seriously way too hung up up on the whole "elitist" thing. "Oh, they're able to do more difficult content than I am or want to... They must be elitist derps..."

Using different party set ups, or going with lower level characters would be ways to run the dungeon in both normal and "difficult" mode. One does not preclude the other. That's not the same as having a harder difficulty level.

A more difficult mode could present different monster setups, placing tougher monsters in more challenging arrangements, it could require more complex and choreographed boss strategies. It could include more difficult requirements to spawn all the chests. It would be a more challenging presentation of the entire dungeon, not just "making what's already there harder".

Seriously, to want to refuse others content they would enjoy because you're hung-up over and apparently threatened by "elitists", is self-centeredness in its most blatant form. That you'd want to deny others some options *they'd* enjoy because you harbor insecurities about your place among other players (something you regularly demonstrate in your posts) it is pretty sad.

Elitists are going to be elitists no matter what content is added, or how difficult it is. If they don't latch on to one thing, they'll latch on to another.

Some advice:
1) Grow a thicker skin and learn to ignore the elitists. It's really not difficult.
2) Find a group of players who share your preference and style of gameplay
3) Have fun doing what you want and enjoy.
4) Stop worrying about "what others are doing", including the "elitists", and play for your own enjoyment. You'll be happier for it.

I've followed that advice myself for years now... and it's worked out in spades for me.

You clearly didn't read the OP. He is suggesting HQ drops from the "expert" dungeon. This will lead to massive elitism. "Oh, your r50 mage body isn't +1? You obviously didn't do the hard dungeon. You're too much of a noob for us." *kick* Only, the "lol" comment would contain much worse grammar and punctuation as most elitist trolls can't spell or make a half decent sentence.

[YUGON]

MystinaValeth, you have a very cool Sig, i was wondering if you could tell me how you do that, or if you could make one for me.

Offtopic: An LS Mate, made that sign for him.

On Topic: If you want hardest content, just wait for SE to add more content. In the meanwhile, you can try to kill Batraal, before asking for more difficult content.

P.D: Batraal at 10% last time ><

[Raistlin]

You clearly didn't read the OP. He is suggesting HQ drops from the "expert" dungeon. This will lead to massive elitism. "Oh, your r50 mage body isn't +1? You obviously didn't do the hard dungeon. You're too much of a noob for us." *kick* Only, the "lol" comment would contain much worse grammar and punctuation as most elitist trolls can't spell or make a half decent sentence.

Guy, u have no sense, if is not gear+1 is that u have rings with acc +4 instead +5 or whatever, if u are not a hardcore dont expect to have best year on a game, if u want to have best posible without work, go out from MMORPGS.

As i said, u CANT denied content for hardcore players coz u are not one and they will not accept you. In real life somethings u cant acces coz u are not good enough, or u have not enough time. This is a game, enjoy it and let others to enjoy it their way.

[MattyWS]

Expert mode: No healing.

[Dubont]

Guy, u have no sense, if is not gear+1 is that u have rings with acc +4 instead +5 or whatever, if u are not a hardcore dont expect to have best year on a game, if u want to have best posible without work, go out from MMORPGS.

As i said, u CANT denied content for hardcore players coz u are not one and they will not accept you. In real life somethings u cant acces coz u are not good enough, or u have not enough time. This is a game, enjoy it and let others to enjoy it their way.

where the hell did you get that I wasn't hardcore? Making the dungeon harder is not adding "content" it is reusing old content and as such, it should give the same rewards. If you want to be hardcore, go in with 1 archer and all of your members r45.

[Preypacer]

You clearly didn't read the OP. He is suggesting HQ drops from the "expert" dungeon. This will lead to massive elitism. "Oh, your r50 mage body isn't +1? You obviously didn't do the hard dungeon. You're too much of a noob for us." *kick* Only, the "lol" comment would contain much worse grammar and punctuation as most elitist trolls can't spell or make a half decent sentence.

Again, you're still hung up on the "elitist" thing, still bashing away... and ignoring the bigger point I keep making.

This is the last time I'm going to try to get it through to you...

I can't stand elitists or their superficial nonsense either... I make fun of them on a regular basis because I find the amount of self-importance and ego they derive from fake items that have zero significance outside the game, and that can be taken away with the flick of a switch to be beyond absurd.

They annoy me, so I don't deal with them. However, I also don't sit around blaming my lack of achievement on "those damn elitists", because at the end of the day... they're *not stopping me from doing what I want to do*.

It boils down to 1) your own attitude and 2) the people you choose to hang out with.

In every MMO I've ever played (a lot), I have known and been part of groups of people who were very active in end-game content, but were not elitists. They did not require top end gear to go on end-game runs. They did not hassle their members for not having it. They understood not everyone is interested in getting the best gear and, better still, they recognized that it wasn't needed. Those are the people I sought out and hung around with. In XI, they did every end-game event, HNM run, Sky, Sea... you name it.. They did it all. They only thing they required is that you be cooperative, be attentive, don't be greedy, have a good attitude, be reliable, have gear that was at least appropriate for your level (ie. not top-shelf, but adequate) and know your job well enough to do what was required in a given fight.

You don't need to be an elitist, nor be beholden to elitists to achieve what you want in the game. You just have to 1) Stop complaining and 2) Find a group that suits your tastes and get involved.

There is absolutely no difference between you and any other player in the game. Zero. You have access to the same content, the same races, same classes, same skills, same gear, same options.. as everyone else. The only thing separating them from you is that while they're out there putting forth the effort and making progress, you're here on the forums putting forth complaints and making excuses.

If you want to get the good stuff all the "elitists" have, then quit wallowing, get over the whole "elitists are ruining the game for me" crap, and put forth the effort.

Stop blaming others for your own lack of effort or initiative.

[Dubont]

Again, you're still hung up on the "elitist" thing, still bashing away... and ignoring the bigger point I keep making.

This is the last time I'm going to try to get it through to you...

I can't stand elitists or their superficial nonsense either... I make fun of them on a regular basis because I find the amount of self-importance and ego they derive from fake items that have zero significance outside the game, and that can be taken away with the flick of a switch to be beyond absurd.

They annoy me, so I don't deal with them. However, I also don't sit around blaming my lack of achievement on "those damn elitists", because at the end of the day... they're *not stopping me from doing what I want to do*.

It boils down to 1) your own attitude and 2) the people you choose to hang out with.

In every MMO I've ever played (a lot), I have known and been part of groups of people who were very active in end-game content, but were not elitists. They did not require top end gear to go on end-game runs. They did not hassle their members for not having it. They understood not everyone is interested in getting the best gear and, better still, they recognized that it wasn't needed. Those are the people I sought out and hung around with. In XI, they did every end-game event, HNM run, Sky, Sea... you name it.. They did it all. They only thing they required is that you be cooperative, be attentive, don't be greedy, have a good attitude, be reliable, have gear that was at least appropriate for your level (ie. not top-shelf, but adequate) and know your job well enough to do what was required in a given fight.

You don't need to be an elitist, nor be beholden to elitists to achieve what you want in the game. You just have to 1) Stop complaining and 2) Find a group that suits your tastes and get involved.

There is absolutely no difference between you and any other player in the game. Zero. You have access to the same content, the same races, same classes, same skills, same gear, same options.. as everyone else. The only thing separating them from you is that while they're out there putting forth the effort and making progress, you're here on the forums putting forth complaints and making excuses.

If you want to get the good stuff all the "elitists" have, then quit wallowing, get over the whole "elitists are ruining the game for me" crap, and put forth the effort.

Stop blaming others for your own lack of effort or initiative.

all of this from a r14...lol you talk as if you've actually played the game or that you may actually know me. You actually think that I'm on the forums when I COULD be on the game? No. When I'm on the forums, it is because I CAN'T be on the game. I never once blamed anything regarding my access to anything on elitists. I just stated that if they all have HQ gear and you have NQ because "expert" retardation is not for you, they will look down upon you even more than they already do even with NQ gear.

[Raistlin]

where the hell did you get that I wasn't hardcore? Making the dungeon harder is not adding "content" it is reusing old content and as such, it should give the same rewards. If you want to be hardcore, go in with 1 archer and all of your members r45.

seriously.. so why GL have different stars? to people SELECT their dificult, and more dificult -> more rewards

is simple, u want tons of diferent dungeos, sure. I live in real life and know SE cant right now do that, so i am asking something so easy to implement and some people like me will have something to try beat after batral is down. Why i asked for a reward for it? coz some people need an incentive to go there. How many times will u down batral if he dont drop anything? 2? 3? goals, that all. And stop saying things like go as archer with all 45, i hope u are more intelligence than that

[Petori]

Meh. Just wait for new dungeons.