There should be no way to speedrun daily storyline dungeon roulettes

[Mholito]

I agree that having a bajillion cutscenes in a dungeon is not ideal, but it's there. I do, however, think that denying people enjoyment of the story in a story-driven game is a horrible thing to do. I think people seem to forget that this is FINAL FANTASY XIV, not gearing-up simulator XIV.

[TsubasaHana]

And it's indeed a Final Fantasy game... so? You can compare it to others FFs at all, but since you entered this topic let's say the following: you're playing one of the previous games and have that hard boss that you're struggling to kill, right? But there's also a gigantic cutscene before you kill the boss... You die at it and need to watch the cutscene again... You die again and watch again... and die... and die... It's the same thing, you've already watch that cutscene dozens of times and simply want to skip it, while some games don't have that function and you're obliged to watch that, now painful experience again, you can skip it!

So you end up going to the dungeon and skip the cutscenes, then you have to wait new ppl? You watch your surroundings, talk to people, examine gears and glamours, but it's not the same thing, do that remember you something? It kills the mood? You can do that at the city? Not the same thing as seeing the movies at the inn?

[Mholito]

Are we supposed to deny new players the enjoyment of the last couple of dungeons, just because we have done them a million times before? I think not! You need to remember that they haven't experienced the ending before.
I think a good comparison would be if you're playing a game for the first time with a friend watching, and they have beaten the game before. You get to the end, but your friend forces you to skip the cutscenes because he's seen them before. Does that sound fair?

[TsubasaHana]

You get to the end, but your friend forces you to skip the cutscenes because he's seen them before. Does that sound fair?

What you said would never happen in an online game, it's not 1 : 1, it's 7 people waiting 1 or 2 players. Better comparisons:

1. You're going to play a LAN game and 1 of the 8 players don't know how to play. Will you teach him from the 0 and make all the others wait? One thing is you take your time to teach him, another thing is taking EVERYONE time to teach him.

2. A tourist is visiting a city and passing by car, slowly, to enjoy the landscape, but right behind him there's 7 cars with people that just want to go home after finishing a day of work. In that road there's no shortcuts and you can't pass him, you wait or make he hurry?

Anyway this discussion is not going forward at all...

[Mholito]

I guess we can agree to dissagree, then. I will, however, always make sure to wait for newer players in the Main Scenario Roulette. Even if it pisses off the speedrunners.
This tug-of-war will continue in-game instead.

[VanilleFang]

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You kind of sound like you feel that you are entitled. You can't wait? Are you seriously so special that you can't allow someone else to do what they want? It has to be what you want? You give them a choice? Why shouldn't why be the one to give you the choice? You aren't someone who controls what others do, and people shouldn't bend yo your will. Helping new players or allowing ither to enjoy themselves isn't wrong or stupid or anything. I don't understand why you are so against it.

[TsubasaHana]

Ha. Can't you see the other way around? I always see both sides of things and think about it, I'm only defending the side that want to speed run cuz I think it's the most right one considering that most people are there for that.

Same questions for you: You can't speedrun? You're so special to make 7 people wait you? I don't force anyone to do what I say. I just say the following: "I suggest you to skip the cutscenes and watch them later at the inn or you will not enjoy the fight at all cuz no one will wait". If they choose to wait, let them be, but if there's people that will go anyway I'm going with them since I'm the healer I can't simply keep waiting and let everyone dies, if I did say: "I'll wait this guy finish his cutscene so if you go you'll all just die cuz I'll not heal". That's horrible.

[Jican]

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And you sound like you are entitled too. Pot calling the kettle black. Sometimes, you can't have your cake and eat it to. Fine, watch the cutscene, but miss out on the battle. Or go in with friends with the intent to watch all the cutscenes, or watch the cutscenes in the inn afterwards. So many choices, why do YOU feel entitled to helping those that won't help themselves. It's not elite thinking, it's not screwing anyone out of anything, since it can be replayed as many times as you want, so get off your high horse and deal with majority rules, or don't play. It's that easy.

[Mholito]

Majority rules!?
"When the weak gather, they step on those that are weaker."
The thought that it should be so because "Everyone else says so!" is pretty weak. Thinking that way never leads to improvement.

[Jican]

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Majority DOES rule in a community driven game. That's a simple fact of life you can't seem to grasp. You're not the special snow flake you wish you were, you are simply a number in the group.

Improvement? Improvement for what? To babysit the people who can't take care of themselves? There are so many options out there to get what you want, but you want to take the easy way out. Instead of creating a party, or asking for help, you throw yourself to the dogs of Duty Finder and you must play by there rules. There are ALWAYS weaker people out there, and there will always be weaker people out there. And you know who makes the rules in the weak group, the strongest one there. Challenge the rules if you have the strength, or shut up and follow them.

For someone who only leveled up 3, maybe 4 combat classes, you have no idea what a real grind is. A real grind is doing the same dungeon over and over a million times to get something you may or may not get. I know the entire story line for line, and I'm done with it. The story is great, but why should I be forced to watch the cutscene that takes 3 minutes each to watch when I've seen it before. I'm here for a clear, anyone else that wants to clear, feel free to join me. If you are new, enjoy the free ride. Otherwise, get a group together to run it and watch all the cutscenes you want, but seriously, shut up otherwise. No one is forcing you to go through the dungeon with people you don't know. Network if you need to, shout for help, this game has THOUSANDS of players, and you can't find 7 with the same goal? Give me a break.

Now, personally, I don't do any roulettes unless I absolutely have to. The player base is toxic on both ends of the arguement. Your side isn't any better than my side. I get it as well, I really do, and I help people out all the time, but only if they take the time to actually ASK. Nothing will change, you'll have to get used to it. Majority will always rule. Welcome to the real world.