People are being cruel to new players

[Chocolate_Rain]

Ah yes, and the problem rears its head....

Thats the asshat attitude right there I see too much of in game.

"READ IT ALL AHEAD OF TIME!" - Because you've lost all sense of wonder and discovery doesnt mean everyone has.

"MASTER YOUR CRAFT!" - Because you're so flawless and perfect ..... um.. not.

Tolerance? Its something people need to learn, big time.

No one is asking for perfection. All we're asking for is competence. There's a huuuuge difference between the two, and yet, many new players think of one as the other. Even if this is your first mmo and don't know what to expect, by not doing your research on your toon and what you're doing, you are impeding the fun of anyone who plays with you. We'd like to have fun too, and you running around like a chicken with it's head cut off doing abysmal dps/can't heal/tank worth a damn doesn't make most people want to help; it makes most people want to chain you to a wall and pull your teeth out with pliers.

I have no problem with new people. I've seen some new players play well, and it's a beautiful thing. I have a problem with new people that think that because they are new they get a carry pass. I feel taken advantage of in that situation. If I feel taken advantage of, I believe that the person expecting that carry because he/she is new is not only a bad player, but a bad person in real life. I mean, if they can screw over complete strangers, who knows what they do to their family and friends. So no, I feel no sympathy.

[KaiKatzchen]

From the sounds of it, you don't know your rotation, know the run, and don't have a keyboard to communicate, and im guessing you didn't look up guides for the run as well? Sorry, but I really don't feel sorry for you.

It seems to me she is not talking 'in the present' and asking for advice, she is talking in past tense when she first started out as a tank (as you can see now, she is a 50 conjurer). Her point, to me, is more so 'back when I started new people were treated badly, and they are still being treated badly, why?'

She's not asking anyone to feel sorry for her. She's asking people to stop all the hate just because someone isn't as good as a older player because they are 'new', we were all new and learning at some point. We wouldn't have wanted to be treated that way.

[Mogi]

From the sounds of it, you don't know your rotation, know the run, and don't have a keyboard to communicate, and im guessing you didn't look up guides for the run as well? Sorry, but I really don't feel sorry for you.

From the sounds of it you don't read very well or you may have picked up that she was talking about her past and how ppl are still rude to new players

[Kaethra]

From the sounds of it, you don't know your rotation, know the run, and don't have a keyboard to communicate, and im guessing you didn't look up guides for the run as well? Sorry, but I really don't feel sorry for you.

This is an example of one of those that wishes to be carried. Expect you to read guides on Sastasha and do extensive research on the Fast Blade/Savage Blade combo available at level 15. The OP said they were new to MMO gaming. How are they supposed to know rotations and that guides even exist? That only comes with experience and someone guiding them along the way.

The term "enmity" has been in use since FFXI - which, if memory serves me correctly, precedes WoW. That in no way shows someone's a "newbie" - especially if we're just using the terms that the developers use. I have no idea what makes you think using a different term indicates how much MMO experience they have. I despise the word "toon," does that make me a newbie?

Someone didn't read the whole post. I did say EQ, and aggro is a term we used in 1999. Sorry, but FFXI wasn't out in 1999. And yes if you played Years after I did, you are a 'newbie' compared to me. What's wrong with that? Does that make you suddenly worse at the game? Probably not. But does it mean you are less experienced in online gaming than I am? Probably so. I've got a few years on you. Don't feel bad or insulted by it. I've played multiple games, dealt with thousands of different players and dozens of communities. That just means I have a little more insight then someone who doesn't. Doesn't make me a better player at the current game so doing get bent out of shape by it.

Something I said struck you inside. You might want to take a look at what that is, because I surely didn't make the post to insult you personally. But you sure took it as such, or at least appear to be.

[kyuven]

Someone didn't read the whole post. I did say EQ, and aggro is a term we used in 1999.

A little off-topic, but here's a fun list of words for the same exact thing:
Enmity: Hate, threat, aggro, argo (some people can't say aggro correctly :P), attn (i can't remember what game that's from...)
Most games these days use "threat" or "hate," with the more purple prose-ish ones using "enmity." Aggro has fallen by the wayside, but some of us still use it, especially since it's so easy to type.

[TouchandFeel]

I remember one of my first mmo experiences. It was in EQ1 and I made a brand new character on a PvP server since I had no idea how PvP worked in that particular game. The game started me in Freeport which is a bit of a labyrinth compared to other starting areas. So over chat I ask if anyone can show me to the newbie questing area. A person shows ups and tells me they will help and to follow them, so I do. Suddenly we drop down into a PvP enabled arena and the person turns around, kills me in one hit and loots my starting gear, leaving me with nothing and unable to do anything with my character.

So, people being jerks is not a new thing and while it can be rampant in mmo's due to online anonymity, it is not nearly as bad as other online gaming communities, online BF and CoD for example.

However, like with being new to anything, try to know what you are getting into. Research a game before you buy it which includes what type of game it is and how it plays. I've seen way too many people complain because they thought this was going to be like the FF13 games, which they would know is not the case with even the tiniest attempt at being informed about what they were getting.

I know getting into mmo's can be difficult and frustrating both for the new player as well as the veteran they are playing with. My gf is playing with me and is new to mmo's and has never really played that many games so this is a very new experience for her. She will often get frustrated about things because she didn't know something and I will admit that I sometimes get frustrated with her because some things are basic knowledge to me but aren't to her since she is new.

Sometimes I will help her out with stuff, especially if it is the first time she is doing something like a new dungeon and other times I will have her do it by herself so that she doesn't become reliant on my help to play the game.

However no matter a person's experience level, veteran or brand new, or whether they are playing an online game or just walking down the street, they should always practice patience and respect. Keep in mind that these things are two way streets and that you can't expect to receive them if you are not willing to give in return. This is the basis for any positive interaction between people.

As for being new to the game and the genre as well as playing on a console.

- get a keyboard (USB or Bluetooth) as this will make communicating way faster and easier and in an online cooperative game, communication is key.
- tell people you are new otherwise most people will assume you know what you are doing which could lead to bad situations, wipes and a negative experience.
- learn to let it go. I don't know a nice way to say this but don't let it get to you. Jerks will be jerks, in this game and everywhere else in life. When dealing with any large group of people you have to be prepared for the chance that some of them are not going to be very nice.
- seek out assistance. If you need help be proactive and try to find it. this can be done in a number of ways such as looking stuff up on the internet (seriously people, Google is your friend), watching tutorials and walkthroughs, or just simply asking for advice or help. You can't really expect others to put in effort to help you if you are not willing to first put in the effort to help yourself.
- try to find a group of friendly and helpful people to have as a resource to help you out and try to get into a good Free Company if you can. Having people you can rely on really makes the game much more enjoyable. Plus playing with other is always better than trying the play by yourself IMO.
- listen and learn. advice and assistance can only do as much as a person is willing to take in. if people are trying to give advice don't get defensive and listen to what they have to say and when you make a mistake learn from it and try not to repeat it.
- Most importantly BE RESPECTFUL AND CONSIDERATE to your fellow players. You don't like it when people are jerks to you and neither does anyone else, so be part of the solution not part of the problem.

Anyways, I'm sorry that you have had such an unpleasant time thus far and I hope that it gets better for you.

p.s. this is advice for anybody and everybody and is not aimed solely at the op.

[Kimikryo]

Something that really irks me.

You start an MMO, a game where people communicate with each other, have no keyboard, and expect THEM to know this and expect THEM to wait for you and expect THEM to treat you like a princess because you expect THEM to know that you are new.

Why are THOSE people mean?

Nobody owes you explanations before hand. Nobody can look in his teacup and see "oh that person is new I absolutely have to tell him what to do"

I have seen really mean players, but the mentioned stuff is far away from mean.

[Teirshin]

Something that really irks me.

You start an MMO, a game where people communicate with each other, have no keyboard, and expect THEM to know this and expect THEM to wait for you and expect THEM to treat you like a princess because you expect THEM to know that you are new.

Why are THOSE people mean?

Nobody owes you explanations before hand. Nobody can look in his teacup and see "oh that person is new I absolutely have to tell him what to do"

I have seen really mean players, but the mentioned stuff is far away from mean.

And your attitude is friendly? Not.

That sort of attitude is the problem. Learn to help people and not criticize, because you arent perfect either, and you didnt start your first MMO knowing it all.

It's a social game, and if you dont want to be social and help people (which based on your comments, you dont), then you're not helping, you're part of the problem.

[KaiKatzchen]

Something that really irks me.

You start an MMO, a game where people communicate with each other, have no keyboard, and expect THEM to know this and expect THEM to wait for you and expect THEM to treat you like a princess because you expect THEM to know that you are new.

Why are THOSE people mean?

Nobody owes you explanations before hand. Nobody can look in his teacup and see "oh that person is new I absolutely have to tell him what to do"

I have seen really mean players, but the mentioned stuff is far away from mean.

Well first off, there is the little leaf beside players names, that shows they are a new player and it doesn't go away until they have like 40 hours of in game play time. Also, when a person is going into a dungeon for the first time it says 'this is a new player you get extra credit for completing this', so people don't need teacup to help them.

And what about my friend? She communicates, has a keyboard and we also helped them the first time with the dungeon, gave them some advice and they were doing a decent job. I mean level 15, first time playing the game and first dungeon, for the experience they had they did good. We didn't wipe and didn't die. They had some issues holding hate, but what can you expect from low level Gladiator who really doesn't have good hate management at that level.

She decided they want to run it again on her own and practice more. We let her go and then she has some high level person telling her whole group that they sucks, getting frustrated with them and telling her she shouldn't play GLD and switch to something she would be good at.

What did she do to deserve that? Nothing, she was doing what she should be and practicing. As the person above me said, I think it's ridiculous to tell someone 'oh didn't you know you have to do all this online research before even touching this game'. I have never done that, or heard of such nonsense in any other MMO I have ever played before in my life... and I have played a lot of MMO's.

As I said before, Yoshi-P even said the first 50 for players is a tutorial to help people learn how to play the game. While online tutorials etc are helpful, it shouldn't be necessary. Being a teacher, some students are good book learners (read it and get it) and some are more hands on (they can read and watch til the pass out, but they need to experience it first hand).

If a player, any player new, old etc is being rude or not listening then yes they get what they deserve. But players who listen, who are willing to learn, want the help or advice? They aren't doing anything to deserve that type of treatment. No matter what way we look at it, being rude to someone simply because they are new or being rude to another player period... there is no good excuse for doing it.

[ispano]

Also, when a person is going into a dungeon for the first time it says 'this is a new player you get extra credit for completing this', so people don't need teacup to help them.

And? It doesn't tell you which of the other 3/7 are new, just that one is. AND it doesn't tell if that person knows their own job either. The person could be new but learned their job like a pro and have zero issues at all, or ignored all the information about their job thrown at them, and fail miserably. What about the people who aren't new to the content, but got carried when they were and STILL don't know anything about the fights, or did it months ago and this is their second time in months and they've forgotten(no excuse imo, but it happensI guess)? Neither of those will send you a "new player" message.