Has anyone gotten their Chocobo color to Midnight Blue?

[AdamuKun322]

Question is in the title and I do apologize in advance if this topic was elsewhere.

[Donjo]

I don't have any screenshots handy, but my Chocobo is currently Midnight Blue. What did you want to know?

[AdamuKun322]

What do I need to feed it?

[Sayori]

To get midnight blue, spam berries till you get royal blue, then use 2x xelphatol apple and 1x o'ghomoro berry in that order. That's what i did to get midnight blue at least

[Donjo]

For reference, it takes a LOT of O'ghomoro berries to reach Royal Blue in the manner Sayori described. What is useful to know is that Midnight Blue is a color that is very close to black. When thinking in terms or RGB values, Midnight Blue is reachable from Soot Black by feeding it 3-5 berries.

So, Sayori's method seems perfectly viable if you have 80 or so berries to spare. These would all be fed in succession, and then the two apples and one berry.

An alternate method involves all three darkening fruits, fed in this relatively precise order. This is starting from Desert Yellow!

20 O'ghomoro Berries(Deepen Blue)
20 Mamook Pears(Deepen Green) *You can also do this by alternating between green and blue 20 times. If you don't alternate, you must do Blue first.
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15-17 times, Alternate between Xelphotal Apples(Deepen Red) and O'ghomoro Berries(Deepen Blue). These really should be alternated, but you can feed Red first and Blue second if you don't want to. It might screw things up though.
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4 times, Alternate between Deepen Red and Deepen Green. As with the first set, you can feed 4 Red and then 4 Green without mucking it up.

If RNG smiles upon you(as the strength of the fruit's effects are slightly random), you will have a dark blue color when you're done with this. If it isn't Midnight Blue, you'll be close.

[Gardes]

For reference, it takes a LOT of O'ghomoro berries to reach Royal Blue in the manner Sayori described.

lol I got royal blue in 2 sessions of 15 berries feeding.

[Donjo]

lol I got royal blue in 2 sessions of 15 berries feeding.

I did mention the presence of RNG in fruit effects. For every person who got to it in 30 berries, there's someone who got it in 50-60.

[Gardes]

I did mention the presence of RNG in fruit effects. For every person who got to it in 30 berries, there's someone who got it in 50-60.

I just find it amusing that you make a claim that it can take many berries and then provided an alternate method that just takes as many amount of fruits as if it's more precise when it's still relying on rng.

[AttacKat]

Question is in the title and I do apologize in advance if this topic was elsewhere.

My suggestion?

Follow the PNG file, feeding exactly ONE fruit to obtain the next color scale, move down to either the Blue or red path, then adjust accordingly.

No one can tell you exactly how many fruits to feed, as I for one can say that the fruits DO NOT REACT THE SAME. To deepen red, you will need to feed more and more of red to obtain the next scale, while deepen blue most of the time only requires a handful to obtain the next scale.

Just because you are feeding +R +G +B, thinking you are dropping the color values at the same rate, you are not. Right now, the safest approach is follow the path that has been laid out in front of you, and then make adjustments.

[Donjo]

My suggestion?

Follow the PNG file, feeding exactly ONE fruit to obtain the next color scale, move down to either the Blue or red path, then adjust accordingly.

No one can tell you exactly how many fruits to feed, as I for one can say that the fruits DO NOT REACT THE SAME. To deepen red, you will need to feed more and more of red to obtain the next scale, while deepen blue most of the time only requires a handful to obtain the next scale.

Just because you are feeding +R +G +B, thinking you are dropping the color values at the same rate, you are not. Right now, the safest approach is follow the path that has been laid out in front of you, and then make adjustments.

You seem to be postulating that feeding a "Deepen color" fruit to a chocobo does not lower the values of the other two colors at similar rates. Furthermore, you claim that the imprecise method of feeding exactly one color at a time is a better way of getting the color you want.

Let me tell you a story.

When I started on the path to Midnight blue, I was much like you. I went the route of taking a bunch of O'ghomoro berries and feeding the chocobo exactly that until it was as blue as I wanted it to be. I was interested in the color progression, so I always fed it until I got the growing new feathers message exactly once and chuckled to myself as my feathered friend went through several shades of brown, then to a purple, and finally to Raptor Blue. Let's examine this.

The RGB values of the starting color, Desert Yellow, are 216,175,80. That's a lot of Red and Green, but not too much blue. Let's look at Raptor Blue. It is 84,120,188. Let's put these side by side.

216, 175, 080
084, 120, 188

What's the difference here? Blue has risen by quite a bit, while Red and Green have fallen quite a bit. I hadn't yet made any connections with the fruit at this point, however, and still felt that fruits independently affected the colors, and that deepening fruit lowered the RGB value of the target color. At the point of Raptor Blue, I decided to finally go for Midnight Blue. Knowing that the color is essentially Soot Black with a little bit of extra blue, I fed it 15 each of Deepen Red and Deepen Green to try and get a Soot Black that I could punt to Midnight Blue. The color I ended up with... was Cork Brown. That was off by quite a bit, wasn't it? Let's look at the RGB for that: 179, 139, 88. Let's compare that to Raptor Blue.

084, 120, 188
179, 139, 088

This time, Red and Green have risen and Blue has fallen. It was at this point that I realized two things.

1. Deepening fruits increased the target color.
2. Deepening fruits lowered the other two colors.

The act of feeding just Deepen Blue made blue rise while the other two fell. The act of alternating between Red and Green made just Blue fall. With this new knowledge, I whipped up a simple little Java program that simulated chocobo feedings. I did a little research to see if other people were thinking the same things I was about the fruit, and got a couple of threads in these forums that suggested exactly what I thought. Furthermore, they suggested a range of change for the fruits: 3-6 points in the RGB scale at a time. So, I made a Deepen fruit increase the target color by 3-6(out of 255) and lower the other two fall by 3-6, while Lightening fruit dropped the target color and rose the other two. I used this to chart a series of feedings that would theoretically get my Chocobo close to the RGB values for Midnight Blue: 020, 021, 039.

My well planned series of feedings didn't land me on Midnight Blue, however. They landed me on Void Blue: 014, 035, 061. Note just how close the RGB values are between these two blues:

020, 021, 039
014, 035, 061

From here, I Lightened Blue twice, Deepened Red once, Deepened Green once, and then alternated between Deepening Red and Deepening Blue once. According to the theories you're claiming to be false, this did the following things in this order:

1. Lowered Blue, increased Red and Green.
2. Lowered Blue twice, kept Red and Green relatively constant.
3. Lowered Green, kept Red and Blue relatively constant.

You know what that all adds up to? Void Blue + Red - Green - Blue equals Midnight Blue. This is exactly where the above feeding got me. This is not coincidence; my results wouldn't have been nearly this precise if this theory were false.

So, what does this all mean? Let's try to brainstorm a bit.

For example, Why does feeding just Deepen Blue result in more frequent color changes than just feeding Deepen Red? Perhaps it's because there are more colors falling under the Blue dye group with small gaps between them than the Red dye group. The difference between Void Blue and Midnight Blue is a good example of this. They were so close together that I landed on Void while trying for Midnight. This is due to two reasons: the observed slight RNG in fruit effects and the comparatively small difference between the colors. If the color you're aiming for requires a large change in RGB values, it's really easy to land on the wrong one because you cannot be sure of exactly where you are. However, using the more precise method I've described in my previous post will, if it fails on the first round of feedings, probably land you on a color that is very similar in values to the one you want. From there, you just feed it 5 or so more fruits to get to your target. Some of these colors are so close together that this kind of manipulation is necessary to obtain something exact. Having fewer fruits to feed lets you be more certain of your current values.

There are, of course, unanswered questions. If your values are nowhere near an established dye color, how does the game figure out what color you'll land on? Does it just take the closest color? Does it assign it based on the ratio between colors? We'll need a lot of testing to figure that one out. Furthermore, if you happen to be a particular color, does the game consider your RGB values to be the exact ones for that color or is it keeping the values your feedings put it at? I'm currently leaning toward the possibility of the game adjusting the values to whatever color you landed on once the color changes.

Finally, let's examine why there is a misunderstanding here. To be quite frank, it's because the North American translation for these items is bad. For all regions, the Deepening fruit says that they all Deepen Red, Green, and Blue. That's all fine and dandy. Let's look at the Lightening fruit though.

NA says Lighten Red; Elsewhere says Deepen Cyan
NA says Lighten Green; Elsewhere says Deepen Purple
NA says Lighten Blue; Elsewhere says Deepen Yellow

See what's going on here? Cyan = Blue + Green. It makes both of them go up. Purple = Blue + Red. Yellow = Red + Green. Yes, all of these fruits Deepen a color. While it seems strange that they also lower unaffected colors, I have found no evidence that suggests that this is not happening.

In conclusion, the "precise" method I am suggesting is a good idea because the best position to be in regarding to obtaining a specific color is to be so close to it that very few fruits must be feed to the Chocobo to push it over. This beats the RNG factor and allows you to obtain a color in problem areas where many colors are very close to each other.