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    Fact is, SE had it perfect before they made the most recent change. Hunt groups are horrible now - targets are so limited with only A and S that there is often nothing up. When there is only 1 or 2 zones up, everyone in the group floods the same zone. Once you've made 1-2 COMPLETE searches of Coerthas, it gets really boring. This encourages people to afk during the hunting phase. B class marks roam around untouched forever - nobody needs them after the first day following the weekly reset.

    Without going back to what they had before (impossible for SE to admit an error), things could be improved by halving the spawn time on A and S (this would restore things to the way they were before - B class mobs were half of the hunt in terms of reward - much more than half in terms of activity), get rid of the FATES from the daily and replace it with random B marks (NOBODY likes FATE driven events - waiting 2 hours for a FATE to spawn is exactly opposite of casual friendly).

    A lot of the anti-hunt complaint is to do with player behavior. Resets, early pull complaints, etc could all be fixed by eliminating the need to have PARTY enmity to get rewards. Change it so that if you tag the target (in a party, solo) you full credit for normal seals and tomes. If you do as much as needed now to get full credit, you get a chance at a log drop.
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    Last edited by Waeksyn; 08-31-2014 at 09:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waeksyn View Post
    Resets, early pull complaints, etc could all be fixed by eliminating the need to have PARTY enmity to get rewards.
    No, the change would have to be to remove or limit the rewards that the drooling masses feel they MUST have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    No, the change would have to be to remove or limit the rewards that the drooling masses feel they MUST have.
    No, that would just make hunts worthless to begin with and would basically screw over anyone who didn't get a reward before the nerf (the whole exploit early before nerf skit seen in many games). Take out the rewards and what do you get? Monsters that people ignore. The way B marks are handled now work great. The same should apply for A and S, but with parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    No, that would just make hunts worthless to begin with and would basically screw over anyone who didn't get a reward before the nerf (the whole exploit early before nerf skit seen in many games). Take out the rewards and what do you get? Monsters that people ignore. The way B marks are handled now work great. The same should apply for A and S, but with parties.
    Well, the rewards are what have caused people to form these large herds, which destroys what the system was intended to be. Since you won't change the players, the rewards are the issue. Changing it so it's EASIER for every random person to get credit is NOT a fix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    No, the change would have to be to remove or limit the rewards that the drooling masses feel they MUST have.
    Yes, of course you will remove any issues by changing the event so that NOBODY WILL DO IT ANYMORE! That's hardly an acceptable solution though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waeksyn View Post
    Yes, of course you will remove any issues by changing the event so that NOBODY WILL DO IT ANYMORE! That's hardly an acceptable solution though.
    Now you see the crux of the problem with TRUE open world content. It's what people wanted, but if you make it too rewarding you have the issue we have now with the bloodthirsty zergs. Make it less so, and no one does it at all. The "we can't have nice things" term applies here, because people cannot control themselves.

    The reason to have a limit is to put it in line with other content that offers similar rewards.
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