Watching cutscenes = AFK?

[Ilitsa]

While I can't help everyone, I do my best to let any new players I happen to meet to know that they can add me and my FC will help them through Castrum and Praetorium so that they can watch the scenes. I can't fathom the mentality of belittling and berating a new player for being new and wanting to experience the story as it was -meant- to be seen, yes they CAN watch the scenes in the inn, but they shouldn't be FORCED into that being the only option. me and my fiance usually go in as both tanks (unless the person we're helping is a tank, then one of us goes healer instead) and we'll stand there until the new person is through, if someone doesn't like it, be it a healer, or a DD, they can leave is our philosophy.

So if you're a new player tired of these attitudes, there are people out there willing to help you properly. You just have to find us.

[ariaandkia]

Never speed run the water sprite stuff in Hullbreaker without a WHM. It doesn't work. Especially not with a WAR. (Unless you get lucky and have two BLMs who know quickflare and quelling strikes.) I died too many times even with a WHM as an i94 Tank (Both PLD and WAR) On those bits. I made a macro as such for my tank:

/p I will not be speed running this dungeon. If you are here to speed run, please leave now, or deal with it.

Even if a magic tank comes, I will still use this macro, and I will never speed run ever.

Eh? It works fine as a SCH as long as people call out that they are doing it beforehand instead of just rushing it with no warning or readycheck

===

I actually skip CS now because people got mad at me for not skipping. Luckily, they never kicked me for watching CS, just got really pissed off. (I was a healer and most of the time they needed me cus waiting for a healer or a tank would take a long time).

Though I did get locked out of some boss fights, they generally weren't bad since there was multiple healers in those cases.

Personally speaking, if someone wants to watch a CS, I'm more than happy to wait.

===

I think they need to add a Vote "Keep" in the list of options for vote Kicks.

Here is my thought:

Three Options: Keep, Kick, Abstain

Players in the same FC, in their friends list, or in the same premade party as the person being kicked, they cannot select Keep.

If Kick is lower or equal to Keep, nothing happens.

If Kick is higher than Keep+1, the player is kicked

If Kicks is equal to Keep+1, then a check is made.

If most of the kick players are in the same party/friendslist/fc, then nothing happens.
Otherwise, the player is kicked.

As an example, if 4 Kicks vs 3 Keeps, but most of the 4 are in the same group while the 3 are not, then don't kick. If everyone is random, then it would kick.

As an addition to this, when the 10 minute timer goes up, have it so that a vote pops up. The vote would not be in the middle of the screen but to the side. The vote could pop at 9 minutes and all players that aren't afk would have the option to vote for Kick, Keep, Abstain.

With the vote, assuming there is more than 1 person voting, the system would have a vote as well with 2 votes in kick. So in order to keep the player, at least 2 people would need to vote to keep. If exactly one person votes (everyone else abstains or is afk), then their vote counts as 3 votes.

[Mahri]

Speed running, despite being totally contrary to design (albeit not exploitatively so), certainly has its place, and can actually be really fun. However, those looking for speed runs via the random DF probably ought to fire up the party finder instead.

I like to tank, and smashing through a dungeon is typically my default mode, but I make a habit of asking first if anyone looks like they may be new. If they want to watch cutscenes or do a full clear for XP or loot, then that's what we're doing.

For tanks and healers: This is pretty much your tradeoff for those insta-queues.

[WinterSolstice]

I feel like those who just say "watch it in the inn" are the same people who play the game nonestop, skip cutscenes, skip text, and just try their hardest to get through every bit of required content in the fastest way without appreciating any of it.

People need to understand that, while you can watch most cutscenes in the inn, it feel dramatically different. The cutscene where Lahabrea unleashes Ultima is easily one of the best cutscenes in the game. It doesn't feel nearly as good to watch it after you already finished that bit of story.

Please let people enjoy the game. If you are the kind of person who skips every bit of text and cutscene just to get things done quicker, you are generally not the kind of person who will stick around and support the game down the road. You will move on to other games because you feel bored with the "lack of content" in this one. Anyone who is like this has no right thinking that their time in the game is more important than those who wish to go slower and enjoy it in their own way. They might play this game much, much longer than you.

[Khemorex]

hmm i have only one thing to add to this discussion :

[Amused]

I agree with you OP, this sort of behavior is unacceptable and should not be tolerated. How are we going to grow a community if we treat our new players like garbage?

[KaiKatzchen]

What's really bad about this one is that some people get glitched and are only able to watch the first CS of the bunch, or none at all, and there's nothing that can be done about it so they completely miss out, have to run the instance again and put up with people being jerks about it again, or youtube it.

I didn't know about this glitch... that's really sad and even more reason why people shouldn't be forced to skip them.

[Warkupo]

AOE's could have target caps. You know, like most decent games that try to stop speed running.

[Evangela]

they said they're aware of vote kick abuse, but it seems like they are not.

[Mogi]

That's part of the prob with this game i was running Copperbell Mines last night with my new friend she just joined anyways we get to the slime boss and my friend kills the bomb 2 times i tell her to let it bee she forgot big deal^^ but one of the players try's to kick her and tells me and the tank to kick her. And i'm like omg chill out shes new and this is a low lvl map but it's like some ppl