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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Quote Originally Posted by swordrain View Post
    He called me a liar, sorry its hard to not get very angry after everything I've been through on this, only to be called a liar about it.
    Quote Originally Posted by swordrain View Post
    And then to come here, to see someone like the OP say, "that can't happen!" and call people like "me" ludicrous and liars is just so insulting and hurtful.
    I don't think he meant to directly call anyone a liar or say that it can't happen; he simply stated that statistically speaking, it's extremely unlikely to happen. It doesn't seem like he's here to insult you or anyone else in particular.

    I honestly just think OP made a poor choice in his wording and that's what's upsetting people.

    Quote Originally Posted by swordrain View Post
    It's impossible for some people to understand, but I feel like trash now because I failed miserably at what I set out to do. I don't care what obstacles are in the way of my goal. I failed. It's hard to look at myself until I feel I do something to redeem myself of my failure.
    I mean this in the nicest way possible: you may want to seek some professional help if you truly feel like this.

    Your sense of self-worth should not be left in the hands of a PRNG on an MMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kydi View Post
    The OP's initial comment on "ludicrous claims" are somewhat debunked by his own statistics. There is a large enough sample size to see the statistical outliers that the numbers generate, and in my experience people are generally more vocal about the bad than the good, so I'm hardly surprised that there are so many threads and a number of players raising this as an issue
    Right, that's the thing. So many people play the game and so many people try the atma grind that of course there's going to be statistical outliers. Do I believe that everyone that claims they've done thousands of fates without an atma has *actually* done thousands of fates without an atma? Not really. People have a tendency to exaggerate, and you're right - we can't forget cognitive bias either. Several hours of doing fates with nothing to show for it can certainly feel like you're doing thousands when in reality you're doing maybe 100. I was surprised at how slowly the achievement for successfully cleared fates goes up.

    With that said, I'm sure there are a few people out there that really have done thousands of fates without completing their atma weapons, and I feel for them. RNG is the suck; honestly, the atma grind is the only thing keeping me from doing another novus. Animus and novus are non-issues in comparison to the wall of grind that you face when you're going from zenith to atma. It's just mind-numbingly boring and there's not really an end in sight. At least when I'm leveling with fates i can see my goal. Atma is just... ugh. Such poor game design.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laraul View Post
    Who uses RNG? "The RNG of dying in a plain crash is one seventh the RNG of being hit by lightning." Instead of calling it "RNG" call it what it is, chance or probability. Or in this case Atma drop rate. It's silly to call it RNG. It's a weird abbreviation and in previous Final Fantasy games it was the abbreviation for the RANGER class. Regardless the RNG term is still weird.
    Uhh, except nobody was using it like that? RNG = Random Number Generator. We're talking about the RNG (or rather PRNG, Pseudo Random Number Generator) function that picks the "random" numbers for the game, not about the probability of dying in a plain[sic] crash. OP made mention of those, but he used the words "chance," "probability," and "odds" to refer to them, rather than replacing those words with "RNG" as you seem to be suggesting here. RNG and PRNG are widely used terms, especially in connection with online gaming.
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    Last edited by Ashkendor; 08-30-2014 at 01:43 AM.