RNG doesn't hate you

[Kydi]

It's safe to say on all of the RNG topics that no, RNG does not hate anyone, it can't. However, it can contribute to a bad playing experience. As someone earlier posted, if we use a likely number of active players you get 2000 people not seeing a single atma
for 500 fates. That isn't good game design.

The OP's initial comment on "ludicrous claims" are somewhat debunked by his own statistics. There is a large enough sample size to see the statistical outliers that the numbers generate, and in my experience people are generally more vocal about the bad than the good, so I'm hardly surprised that there are so many threads and a number of players raising this as an issue

[Ashkendor]

He called me a liar, sorry its hard to not get very angry after everything I've been through on this, only to be called a liar about it.

And then to come here, to see someone like the OP say, "that can't happen!" and call people like "me" ludicrous and liars is just so insulting and hurtful.

I don't think he meant to directly call anyone a liar or say that it can't happen; he simply stated that statistically speaking, it's extremely unlikely to happen. It doesn't seem like he's here to insult you or anyone else in particular.

I honestly just think OP made a poor choice in his wording and that's what's upsetting people.

It's impossible for some people to understand, but I feel like trash now because I failed miserably at what I set out to do. I don't care what obstacles are in the way of my goal. I failed. It's hard to look at myself until I feel I do something to redeem myself of my failure.

I mean this in the nicest way possible: you may want to seek some professional help if you truly feel like this.

Your sense of self-worth should not be left in the hands of a PRNG on an MMO.

The OP's initial comment on "ludicrous claims" are somewhat debunked by his own statistics. There is a large enough sample size to see the statistical outliers that the numbers generate, and in my experience people are generally more vocal about the bad than the good, so I'm hardly surprised that there are so many threads and a number of players raising this as an issue

Right, that's the thing. So many people play the game and so many people try the atma grind that of course there's going to be statistical outliers. Do I believe that everyone that claims they've done thousands of fates without an atma has *actually* done thousands of fates without an atma? Not really. People have a tendency to exaggerate, and you're right - we can't forget cognitive bias either. Several hours of doing fates with nothing to show for it can certainly feel like you're doing thousands when in reality you're doing maybe 100. I was surprised at how slowly the achievement for successfully cleared fates goes up.

With that said, I'm sure there are a few people out there that really have done thousands of fates without completing their atma weapons, and I feel for them. RNG is the suck; honestly, the atma grind is the only thing keeping me from doing another novus. Animus and novus are non-issues in comparison to the wall of grind that you face when you're going from zenith to atma. It's just mind-numbingly boring and there's not really an end in sight. At least when I'm leveling with fates i can see my goal. Atma is just... ugh. Such poor game design.

Who uses RNG? "The RNG of dying in a plain crash is one seventh the RNG of being hit by lightning." Instead of calling it "RNG" call it what it is, chance or probability. Or in this case Atma drop rate. It's silly to call it RNG. It's a weird abbreviation and in previous Final Fantasy games it was the abbreviation for the RANGER class. Regardless the RNG term is still weird.

Uhh, except nobody was using it like that? RNG = Random Number Generator. We're talking about the RNG (or rather PRNG, Pseudo Random Number Generator) function that picks the "random" numbers for the game, not about the probability of dying in a plain[sic] crash. OP made mention of those, but he used the words "chance," "probability," and "odds" to refer to them, rather than replacing those words with "RNG" as you seem to be suggesting here. RNG and PRNG are widely used terms, especially in connection with online gaming.

[reality_check]

There is a large enough sample size to see the statistical outliers that the numbers generate

Here's my logic:

There are "2 million adventurers," which is probably not subscribed accounts but registered accounts.

My guess (and this could be COMPLETELY off, I admit it, but this is just a conservative guess) is that 1,250,000 of those are active subscribers.

I would also guess that about half of those are English players (if they werent English players, they'd be on forums for a different language. My post was in response to the sheer number of people on these specific forums saying they've done thousands of fates without seeing an atma.)

This leaves us with 625,000 English players. And of course, not everyone is even level 50, and not a lot of people even do the relic quest. So, let's say that half of those people have at least attempted the Atma quest. This leaves us with 312,500 people attempting the Atma quest.

Of those 312,500 people, we can expect 13 of those to reach 500 fates before seeing an atma. THIRTEEN. And that's assuming that these 13 people actually have the tenacity to continue through doing 500 fates and not giving up. So yeah.