Why don't they change the way we earn Atma? (An honest question, not a rant.)

[nekroturkey]

Shouldn't keeping players happy be the second most important thing behind keeping players subscribing?

Of course I might be wrong, but I can't imagine anyone enjoying farming Atma with the way it currently works, and if they aren't having fun, why would they keep subscribing?

[Codek]

It's a funny thing, the new players leveling up are enjoying it because it brings a level of social play to the world along with lowering the chance of having to solo every fate they come across.

It's also an optional quest for those grinding them out so they still have a choice in the matter.

[nekroturkey]

It's a funny thing, the new players leveling up are enjoying it because it brings a level of social play to the world along with lowering the chance of having to solo every fate they come across.

They aren't the ones farming Atma though, and the ones farming Atma typically go from one fate to the next, only bothering to bronze them and not finish them.

As of players unsubbing over something like this, lol.

I didn't say they'd unsubscribe over this, I asked why they would subscribe for this. Would you list Atma farming as being one of the reasons as to why you subscribe each month?

[Bladeglory]

It's a funny thing, the new players leveling up are enjoying it because it brings a level of social play to the world along with lowering the chance of having to solo every fate they come across.

Not always. I was trying to get an Atma in the Central Shroud last month when we had a level 5 start a whine-fest about level 50 players doing FATEs. Poor guy thought we were there for exp/gil/seals and was tired of the horde demolishing enemies before they could get gold.

If they change atma now, what about all the people that struggled to get it? Dont you think they would cry out then?

Hate to be "that guy," but that's how MMOs work. (and how this one is progressing) Older content gives you a handicap and outdated gear is handed out on a silver platter.
Whether or not SE will apply this philosophy to the Relic quest line specifically is the question...

I wish SE would get into the habit of setting upper and lower limits on their well desired contents (growth %, thresholds, tokens, some sort of system).

This. Augh. I can't imagine anybody getting happy about the statistical possibility of never getting what you want. Be my guest, include RNG if you like it, but set a hard cap on being unlucky.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

Because there're more content that just the Atma. We don't know if they're going to nerf it on the incoming patches, I think they have a lot of feedback regarding this subject. If I have you to give my personal opinion, the maps are not as crowded as they used to be on the early days of the atma farm. Now the FATEs take a bit longer to be completed, making the whole process slower.

[Eggnook24]

I'm thinking they won't rework it until 3.0, if ever. As of players unsubbing over something like this, lol.

[EdwinLi]

I'm thinking they won't rework it until 3.0, if ever. As of players unsubbing over something like this, lol.

Then 3.0 better arrive "Sooner than expect" very soon.

[OdinEon]

If they change atma now, what about all the people that struggled to get it? Dont you think they would cry out then?
I only have 3 but I hope they don't change it, so when I do get them all I have the same sense of accomplishment they had.

[Giantbane]

If they change atma now, what about all the people that struggled to get it? Dont you think they would cry out then?
I only have 3 but I hope they don't change it, so when I do get them all I have the same sense of accomplishment they had.

I never had a sense of accomplishment, I was just glad it was over.

[Fendred]

I never had a sense of accomplishment, I was just glad it was over.

This. A sense of accomplishment requires that we have something to pat ourselves on the back for. People who think the books are any better are out of their minds. I'm on book six and I don't think I can keep going with this. It just cuts into everything else in the game that is more interesting. Grinding dungeons for vanity items, finding a group for raids, or even boring ST are all vastly more interesting options than atma. Two of those are things I regularly complain about and I'm putting them as "more fun" than atma.

End game grinds are supposed to be about encouraging people to come together in a positive way to accomplish a goal. This is just a long solo grind that's size-ably worse than any long term grind in FFXI just for that reason alone. We're revisiting stuff that has no relevance to us, making zero friends out of it because of totally random cross-server groups, and then doing it over and over.