Why don't they change the way we earn Atma? (An honest question, not a rant.)

[Duelle]

End game grinds are supposed to be about encouraging people to come together in a positive way to accomplish a goal. This is just a long solo grind that's size-ably worse than any long term grind in FFXI just for that reason alone. We're revisiting stuff that has no relevance to us, making zero friends out of it because of totally random cross-server groups, and then doing it over and over.

The mechanic for Atma isn't new, because as I said when Atma was implemented, they basically took the "splinters of atiesh" approach but yes, made it a solo grind instead of something that happens while your guild is raiding.

I still say the whole system was aimed at the wrong demographic, as this system was originally designed to give hardcore players a reason to raid after getting gear. They instead tossed it at those who aren't raiding while creating a faster way of upgrading a weapon via UAT+Rowena Tokens+Sand. From a design perspective the decision to this day still doesn't make much sense.

Had I made the call, I would have made the high allagan weapons ilvl110 with the option to unlock the weapons' potential via what we call the Atma system; make it possible for the 20 upgrade items (I would raise the number of items required from 12 to 20) necessary to drop from FATEs while also dropping in dungeons and coil. I would have taken the Secret of Mana approach with relics by making the relic upgrade involve essences from content no one cares about at this moment: extreme primal fights. Granted, this would NOT work until Shiva is implemented, as I would have it require primal essences from the six elemental primals. Or do the upgrade in two phases. Phase 1 (Patch 2.2, Zenith => Novus) requiring Garuda, Titan and Ifrit extreme, while phase 2 (implemented in patch 2.4, Novus => whatever) would require Leviathan, Ramuh and Shiva extreme. That would have gotten me to care about extreme primals instead of seeing those fights as poorly-implemented hard modes. It would have also made the progression path very clear instead of the current RNGfest atma grinds are. And for the record, I'm still at 0.

[ruskie]

with relics by making the relic upgrade involve essences from content no one cares about at this moment: extreme primal fights. Granted, this would NOT work until Shiva is implemented, as I would have it require primal essences from the six elemental primals.

I think you just shown us the next upgrade path for our relics...

[Mogi]

I never had a sense of accomplishment, I was just glad it was over.

This and i'm never looking back

[Marael]

If they change atma now, what about all the people that struggled to get it? Dont you think they would cry out then?
I only have 3 but I hope they don't change it, so when I do get them all I have the same sense of accomplishment they had.

I wouldn't care one single bit. In fact I would welcome it, I have other jobs I wouldn't mind upgrading, but i still have nightmares about farming atma the first time that keep me away from doing it again. It was a crap idea to begin with, and making it easier on a second run through, and for everyone else who has had far less luck than me, or those who are up and coming seems like a very good idea to me.

[Mugiawara]

If they change atma now, what about all the people that struggled to get it? Dont you think they would cry out then?
I only have 3 but I hope they don't change it, so when I do get them all I have the same sense of accomplishment they had.

This game has been nerfed multiple times so...I wouldn't be surprised and I hope they do it.
Problem is that this whole thing is a tedium, and it's not fun...at all. It's boring.
It's not fair that x persons got their Atma is a few days, and other people are literally...months into the whole FATE session. It
shouldn't be a snoozefest. They need an additional Atma gain route. Maybe do x amount of dungeons or something for a piece.
I've personally stopped doing it, but I feel a lil sad because now I'm so far behind everything with just my Zenith...if Atma didn't screw it up for me
I'd be on Novus by now. I'm still going to get Levi/Ramuh's or whoevers weapon for an equal but still.
Oh and please stop shoving FATE's everywhere while you're at it, I am getting ill from it all now...I did enough in 2.0, no more!
-___-;;;

[Shougun]

RNG % starts everyone equally but only through great data samples will your journey be comparably fair. I wish SE would get into the habit of setting upper and lower limits on their well desired contents (growth %, thresholds, tokens, some sort of system).

[kit07]

I loved Atma grinding. I would start by soloing them, and then little by little someone else would join. Made a few new friends off of it as well.
People go to the extreme of "ohhhh gawd!! atma grinding!!! gotta sit here for 8 hours in one area and then complain when one doesn't drop!!! eerrrr"
My advice? Do a few fates in an area, didn't get one? move on to something else and come back later.
Also pretty much all fates can be soloed at that point, and if you have two people they are a breeze. So if and when people slowly stop doing them in bunches, you will be fine.

[coldreactive]

They could add all atma crystals to the fates in Mor Dhona, would be more lore friendly than you might think.

[tOnni3]

T9 cleared is accomplishment but Atma grinding........nah.

[Nicobo]

T9 cleared is accomplishment but Atma grinding........nah.

I think ATMA could not compare with T9, bcoz T9 was the last step atm but ATMA was not.
Maybe compare ATMA with T6...the books with T7-T8, alex. with T9 ^^;