BRD vs Caster

[Tonkra]

What do you think about the pvp balance between BRD and casters?


what really bugs me about Archer in this game is (as a BLM, CNJ etc.).. that they just can spam every attack instant and unruptable "on the run" with nice damage and on a very high distance as well. it works like a melee damage class but on distance with cc abillities.
In other words you could say that it is almost like a drg/mnk ++ (plus plus... plus) with the abillity to perform high physical damage on range.
As a BLM/conjurer/sch its mostly impossible to win against a brd in 1vs1 without having your pvp skill ready.



My suggestion of rupts by arrows (and maybe spells, too) would be like this:


High Distance (15y) -> 35%/45% rupt chance
Middle Distance (10y) -> 65% rupt chance
Close Distcance (5y) -> 100% rupt chance


like with the damage which is like the other way around:
High distance -> 100% Damage
Middle Distance -> slight lower damage
Close Distance -> low damage





Its not fair in regards to Melee Damage Dealers who have to get into close range and in Regards to all casters which are 100% rupted on distance by brds. I dont know how to solve this problem, but i think there is definatley a big discrepancy.

i am okay with melees rupting anyone easily, they have to get very close to the target in order to do so.. but brds having 100% instant skills + range + good damage + unruptable goes too far for me personally..

they have skills like silence for that.

[Vandril]

No opinion on the interrupt mechanic suggestion, but I just want to point out that the damage modifier is...

Far: Low
Mid: Norm
Close: Low

[Divinemight]

You don't because this is how it works here.

Casters don't get to trigger happy because of Bard
Bards don't get to trigger happy because of Meele.
Meeles don't get to trigger happy because of Caster

My suggestion? Try to play other jobs and see this PvP from their perspective of view. Don't get trapped into a tunneled vision world.

This is also a can of worms you are trying to open. You will find it amused that even when Bard is in correct distance, their shots are still lower damage than Paladin's shield throw and Warrior's throw weapon.

[Zagam]

Ive never lost one vs one to a bard if we start at full health. Bards are mosquito's of front lines, weak and annoying. Stop trying to do normal rotations on them, either swiftcast thunder, lethargy and stick lose spamming or swift bliz and chase them spamming scathe. Blms are very mobile and scathe does more damage then those measly arrows.

Also, stop abbreviated random words because you don't feel like spelling it out.

[NorthernLadMSP]

LOL, bards are definitely not weak and measly. I play all roles in Frontlines, and I enjoy bard most. I've killed skilled healers and tanks myself on bard, not to mention casters, dragoons and monks. I've also been killed my fair share of times as well.

While the OP may not think it's fair for bards to be able to move and interrupt, bards do do less damage per attack than casters. Plus, bards don't have the ability to stun or sleep every 10 seconds. Not to mention, if you need to run fast, your TP is immediately drained to 0. I think those are some pretty fair trade offs.

[Maero]

Myself i much prefer going in as Bard because of mobility and yes we can do lots of damage. However i have died many times from summoner's, which feel rather powerful in frontlines.

[Tonkra]

While the OP may not think it's fair for bards to be able to move and interrupt, bards do do less damage per attack than casters.

Not really.. firstly casters do have lots less HP... secondly arrow attacks are instant while a caster has to stand still and cast for about 3 secs (brds can do about 2 arrows in that time). im talking about 1vs1 here. then its "rupt rupt" for most of the time. of course i use swift cast etc.. and scathe is not more powerful than an arrow (100 dmg potency vs heavy shot 150 dmg potency)... + we have less HP and will most likely die faster.

of course i also killed bards in 1vs1... but i dont have the feeling that this is really balanced.. because it mostly takes you all of your special abillities (even pvp) in order to do so (100% unruptable buff, swift cast etc.).. which i think.. cant be..

Casters don't get to trigger happy because of Bard
Bards don't get to trigger happy because of Meele.
Meeles don't get to trigger happy because of Caster

not really..

bard sees melee -> starts shooting/running... -> if he is getting to close -> shadowbind.

melees deal with problems like "out of range, out of range".. when the target is running away. brd does not have these probs.
i dont see why a brd should be afraid of a melee more, than an other archer..

and when melee chars get close to casters they shouldnt fear them either.

[Rydia13]

I find Bards rather annoying. Their damage isn't reduced enough to warrant them being able to spam damage 100% of the time. Casters get interrupted, melee need to be in range, Brds have no restrictions. Just slightly lower damage. I'd trade lower damage on magic spells if I get hit while casting with being interrupted by bards. SMN is strong but it has no burst damage until all its buffs are up and also it's been gimped enough by SE. I want Miasma's(1 not 2) weight effect back

Someone mentioned that Melee trumps Brds.... Well melee will trump anything they get their hands on assuming they don't become immobilized. If ignored, casters are the most dangerous, but with even one person on us, we have very limited options lol. Melee have several abilities/items to recover TP while Sprinting so they can get around the range issue.

Brds can spam til they're blue in the face. Casters can be messed with by anyone with a brain. Run of of spell range, interrupt them. Be in AoE to build Sleep/Bind resistance quickly. I like more Equanimity-like buffs, there is no need to nerf anyone really.

It's ok though, we can still do wicked damage when nobody Os targeting us. /eyeroll

[Tonkra]

I find Bards rather annoying. Their damage isn't reduced enough to warrant them being able to spam damage 100% of the time. Casters get interrupted, melee need to be in range, Brds have no restrictions. Just slightly lower damage. I'd trade lower damage on magic spells if I get hit while casting with being interrupted by bards. SMN is strong but it has no burst damage until all its buffs are up and also it's been gimped enough by SE. I want Miasma's(1 not 2) weight effect back

I also play SMN i would say you way better have a chance against brd, because you have at least instant dot, ruinra and your pet.. BLM is f*** up in most situations... because ALL of your spells, except the weak scathe require that you stand still + have a cast time + are 100% ruptable easily. so you are really slow ..the chances of being interrupt are 100% if a bard or melee is on you.

im okay with melees, because they have to get close enough to you, and run after you..i have the chance to snare them. as blm you are mostly f*** up against every class in 1vs1... if you dont have your pvp skill rdy (most of the time). i stick to my opinion concerning bard personally..

because he just has to shoot at me with regular attacks in order to make 80% of my skills useless. spam spam, rupt, rupt.


Especially in Wolves Den it can become a nightmare, if 1 or 2 persons are focussing you. you cant do nothing but running... and from time to time try to sleep them with swift cast... a brd isnt impressed by that, he can shoot and run..

[Gor]

Myself i much prefer going in as Bard because of mobility and yes we can do lots of damage. However i have died many times from summoner's, which feel rather powerful in frontlines.

naw u died many times from smns because 1) your healer didn't heal you/didn't heal you enough or 2) you ran after the smn and didn't stick around your healer so you left it open season for him to merk u. all dps are squishy in this game. even a healer can take out a solo brd. i can't see a brd out-dpsing a smn tho simply because of the pet+rouse+Fester+Enkindle+ROFL combo. you have to remember, a smn can heal himself, you can't. so don't put yourself in a bad situation.