Rogue/Ninja Starting Class?

[MirielleLavandre]

And if you look back at FFXI, even if you could unlock any job at level 30, some quest actually required you to travel in HL zones.

Yes, but for those jobs (COR, PUP, and DNC) you were able to use oils/powders (or just change to /WHM) to avoid all of the mobs in the areas you had to go. This allowed level 30s to go to those zones and basically sneak to points to get the jobs, which almost everyone did. Here, we don't have those mechanics. I never played WoW, though - but that sounds like it must've upset a few people.

I think the point I'm making is, if they gate NIN behind 2.3, then new players who want to play this job, or even currently people new to 50, cannot get it unless they beat ifrit HM, garuda HM, titan HM, King mog, and Levi HM. There is no precedent for releasing a job with that kind of requirement. It's like them releasing Dancer in FFXI but saying you had to have access to Sky to get it...

[Tupsi]

I would hope so, it wouldn't make much sense to need to be 50 just to start a new class. but this is SE we are talking about, so can't rule out that possibly (as i have a good idea who starts the class)

It would make sense depending on how the playerbase is - If it's top heavy, e.g everyone has 50s, it wouldn't be weird at all since many MMOs require you to do x objective to unlock new classes depending on if it's "basic" or 'advanced' - In XIV alone you have to be 30 to get the jobs, so there's already precedence of not having certain jobs from the get go.

So don't be surprised if it requires you some playtime to unlock, which honestly would be smarter for SE since that means more money in the end for them

[Lucke]

Ok, so how long does it take to level to 50? 3-4 days? How long would it take to get up to the 2.3 story? Well, if you do the main story as you level up, I'd say no more than a week to get access to ROG/NIN, and that's being ultra generous. If you really wanna be efficient, spend 2 seconds finding out what subclasses NIN needs to be unlocked and level them up to 15 (which takes a couple hours) along with your main class.

[silentwindfr]

I think the point I'm making is, if they gate NIN behind 2.3, then new players who want to play this job, or even currently people new to 50, cannot get it unless they beat ifrit HM, garuda HM, titan HM, King mog, and Levi HM. There is no precedent for releasing a job with that kind of requirement. It's like them releasing Dancer in FFXI but saying you had to have access to Sky to get it...

ok stop there, the story don't involve ifrit, garuda, titan HM, they are secondary quest. not link to the story quest...
Mog HM was nerfed badly and it's extremely easy to do it now, levi is a big joke, like Ramuh... nothing in the story is hard, i do have a friend that did get him 50 recently and did all the story quest in 1-2 day... wasn't long nor hard...

finally, like said before, you need to do the story quest for get acces at all the progression anyway and more important it's a game mostly focus on the story!

i want to add something that seems to be forget a lot, a new player is new until 50 after it's a player... them goal is to keep the player the longer on the game, make the rogue ninja ask to get the story done until a point serve this purpose, then it's not that weird.

ps: i will not be shocked if i discover that you need to have a certain class to 30 for unlock the rogue.

[JakzChurchill]

Ok, so how long does it take to level to 50? 3-4 days? How long would it take to get up to the 2.3 story?

LOL seriously? The idea behind this is that people new to the game can jump straight into Ninja, for everyone else whos progressed beyond 50 it's doesn't really apply. A new player with no outside help will not hit 50 in 3 - 4 days, infact I'd be willing to bet it would take most new subs the better part of a month.

Now it begs the question will people really sub just because they added a ninja class? Well yes, especially one so heavily based off the Naruto universe shinobi, I'm sure a few people would hear a Naruto style class is in this game and be tempted to give it a go. in fact thats probably one reason they based it so heavily on the Naruto ninjitsu style.

ps; on that note did anyone notice the Naruto references in the ninja combat gameplay video, someone pointed it out on Reddit was pretty funny tbf.

[Tupsi]

LOL seriously? The idea behind this is that people new to the game can jump straight into Ninja, for everyone else whos progressed beyond 50 it's doesn't really apply. A new player with no outside help will not hit 50 in 3 - 4 days, infact I'd be willing to bet it would take most new subs the better part of a month.

Mm..no it actually takes a week or less unless you spend almost no time in game (maybe 2 hours a day.) It can take awhile these days due to a lot of prior content being absolutely worthless as per design choice by YoshiP, but it wouldn't really take someone a month to hit 50 in no shape or form, you get so much exp thrown at you you honestly would have to play less than 2 hours a day to take longer than a week.

[JakzChurchill]

Mm..no it actually takes a week or less unless you spend almost no time in game (maybe 2 hours a day.) It can take awhile these days due to a lot of prior content being absolutely worthless as per design choice by YoshiP, but it wouldn't really take someone a month to hit 50 in no shape or form, you get so much exp thrown at you you honestly would have to play less than 2 hours a day to take longer than a week.

Something which most casual players probably do, most people only play for a few hours after work or maybe a bit longer on the weekends. The hardcore players who can blast through the story in a week, have guess what; already blasted through the story in a week, the majority who pick it up because of ninja will spend a lot of time, exploring, learning the mechanics, testing out other classes, trying there hand at crafting or gathering. And i didn't say a month, I said the better part of a month, there's a very distinct difference.

[silentwindfr]

anyway, the trouble is not here, the rogue and ninja are the first advanced class/jobs after all.
you must stop to think to the stand point of the new player, they have tons of stuff to do already, add one class they can unlock later, will give them more reason to advance in the story.
other point, i have often seen people say "if they to play a class that they don't like." but it's not wow, all the game is based on the fact that you will and must play multiple class/jobs. either for unlock the jobs or get the cross skill that will make your class better.

i will be blunt, but i think that the rogue and ninja will not be a class/jobs for new player! they need to learn the rope before go on this class that look far more harder than the other.

[Reynhart]

It's like them releasing Dancer in FFXI but saying you had to have access to Sky to get it...

In FFXI, you couldn't "start" as a DNC. And you had to buy the expansion.
For DRG, you had to advance your rank to have acces to Bostaunieux. And you had to buy the expansion.
And you had to be level 30 so that you can level up back from 1 in a totally different job, which, by the way, took far longer in FFXI that clearing 2.2 in FFXIV.

As of now, you already can't start as "any" class (Gatherers and Crafters, for example), and if you want to play a class in a different city, you have to level enough to travel on foot, on progress the storyline enough to travel by airship.

[Giantbane]

And if you look back at FFXI, even if you could unlock any job at level 30, some quest actually required you to travel in HL zones.

FFXI is a bad comparison. It was more of a hardcore game where that kind of stuff was appropriate.

FFXIV is much more casual and I can't see them following this. I will be very surprised if you can't just start a new character as a rogue. And I really hope they do let you start as a Rogue. I have a couple friends that are interested because of the short NIN gameplay video, I don't think they'd be interested in starting as anything else.