Any way to play Summoner AND Scholar without hindering your attribute points?

[Brianmj]

They should just give scholar a line of INT gear and bada-boom, problem fixed (bandaged). I don't know why Square creates these problems for itself. SMN and Scholar sharing the same base class. Maintaining a tank, healer and dps trinity so there is no chance of seeing RDM. Why Square, why?

[Saccharin]

The best solution would be to bind points to the job and class just like action bars operate independently. I find it strange that this wasn't though of when they made a two role class. For me jobs also need to offer job traits that augment base class spells to make them fell different for each job rather than the same no matter what job crystal you use.

Edit: that being said, points give no real choice currently anyway. Have secondary stats instead selectable. Low on accuracy you can add some to a certain cap. Same with determination. Piety should also remain as an option. I guess make it similar choice-wise as novus.

They should just give scholar a line of INT gear and bada-boom, problem fixed (bandaged). I don't know why Square creates these problems for itself. SMN and Scholar sharing the same base class. Maintaining a tank, healer and dps trinity so there is no chance of seeing RDM. Why Square, why?

That would indeed fix it but then it means that healers would compete with damage casters for gear and it also means that damage casters could also work as reasonable healers too. If you look at how black mage works you could have a healer that NEVER runs out of mana if a blizzard spell was used often. It's just psychic but unlimited uses?

[Brianmj]

That would indeed fix it but then it means that healers would compete with damage casters for gear and it also means that damage casters could also work as reasonable healers too. If you look at how black mage works you could have a healer that NEVER runs out of mana if a blizzard spell was used often. It's just psychic but unlimited uses?

heh, you're really stretching "reasonable" when it comes to BLM/SMN healing potential. I can spam Physick as a SMN without any mp loss, which has the same potency as cure. BLM and SMN don't get access to cleric stance, so my 400 hp cures won't be saving any party in endgame content. I already have to compete with BLMs for gear; adding another job to the INT line won't make any noticeable difference.

[Malusion]

heh, you're really stretching "reasonable" when it comes to BLM/SMN healing potential. I can spam Physick as a SMN without any mp loss, which has the same potency as cure. BLM and SMN don't get access to cleric stance, so my 400 hp cures won't be saving any party in endgame content. I already have to compete with BLMs for gear; adding another job to the INT line won't make any noticeable difference.

If I've understood you right from that, you mean that in this solution SCH should use int gear and heal in cleric stance? That leads to some other issues, some easier to deal with than others.

First there's that cleric stance has a flat healing done reduction on it, but in this scenario that could just be removed, as that's there to prevent healers gearing int, and you're proposing a scenario where scholar is meant to. Then there's that Cleric Stance is a conjurer skill, not an arcanist one. Having a job literally -need- a cross classing skill active to do their job seems to go against their design philosophy, even though most cross class abilities are pretty much set in stone, and some are considered absolute must haves, there's nothing that just makes you completely unable to do your job without it. Example for this would be swiftcast, you're not gonna see anyone choose anything else over it, but you could still technically live without it. Though all scholars have access to cleric stance, since you need conjurer high enough to unlock it, so I don't see that as a big issue either.

Really the biggest problem with it all would be in gear competition. Either you have 3 jobs that compete for int gear, and 1 job having mind gear all to itself, which messes up the loot balance entirely, or you have 4 jobs going for int gear, and you just get rid of mind gear and increase the rate of which it drops, having everyone heal in cleric stance.

So really, its not that simple a solution. ^^

[DishSoap]

Then there's that Cleric Stance is a conjurer skill, not an arcanist one. Having a job literally -need- a cross classing skill active to do their job seems to go against their design philosophy, even though most cross class abilities are pretty much set in stone, and some are considered absolute must haves, there's nothing that just makes you completely unable to do your job without it.

What about Provoke? Not that I don't agree with your points though.

[Kaeda_Valentyne]

Couldn't you just put all your points in INT for the SMN, than use cleric stance from CNJ to swap them when your a SCH?

It would kind of be the opposite of the use for CNJ, instead of using it to be better at DPS for CNJ you would use it to be better at healing as a SCH.

Does this make since or am I missing something obvious. I haven't played much on either.

Edit: Your right ispano I missed that it effected the % of healing and damage as well as the INT / MND swap.
Maybe they should look into a stance for SMN / SCH that only swaps the INT / MND.

[ispano]

Couldn't you just put all your points in INT for the SMN, than use cleric stance from CNJ to swap them when your a SCH?

It would kind of be the opposite of the use for CNJ, instead of using it to be better at DPS for CNJ you would use it to be better at healing as a SCH.

Does this make since or am I missing something obvious. I haven't played much on either.

No, it doesn't. Because Cleric Stance also reduces your healing in addition to swapping the stats. And it swaps ALL of the stat, meaning you'd have to have a full int set, and even then with Cleric on you'd heal for less than if you had straight mind.

[Baneus]

I'm at a loss to understand why SE won't allow Cleric Stance for SMN. Wouldn't that solve this issue? (apart from having to use a cross class action still).

[Alukah]

I'm at a loss to understand why SE won't allow Cleric Stance for SMN. Wouldn't that solve this issue? (apart from having to use a cross class action still).

Uh what? What would be the point of using Cleric Stance for SMN? You gain more int from gear than from your stat points, with CS you would end up lowering your damage.

The only viable solution is separating SMN and SCH stats and that will happen soon.

[Kayo]

Has anyone thought of maybe speccing into MND and using Clerical Stance? Just a thought. Is it even compatible with SMN? I dont have either of those classes yet.(nvm... someone answered in previously)

Either way it seems like an easy solution SE should be implementing already if they cant do the saving of different stat allocations. Give both jobs Intellect as a main stat (since Arcanist are DPS) and just give Scholar an ability like Clerical Stance that switches Int and Mind stats but doesnt penalize healing. They'd have to restat some gear as well I guess.