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    Having 41% chance means you have a 41% chance every time you do it. Don't fall victim to gamblers fallacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistaire View Post
    For every post like this there's 97% other people out there experiencing the "normal" side of statistics.
    Well technically it should be 99.94% other people, so you're admitting it is broken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keeff View Post
    the probability is less then .1% shouldnt happen 3 times

    thats not a % of success rate at all

    remove % from the equation and label it for what it is, pure dumb luck, or fix it.
    You obviously don't understand how probability works at all. And you are being fooled by your own point of view, the success rate won't change just because you attempted it multiple times in a row, each time the success rate will always be 41% vs a failure rate of 59%, even things with an astonishingly low probability still happen anyway. The probability of getting a royal flush is like 0.0032% yet if you play poker chances are you've seen it at least once if not more happen.

    Edit: Also since an actual developer has already responded about this asinine line of logic before: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...34#post2310334
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    Last edited by Dgsoil; 08-25-2014 at 02:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
    Having 41% chance means you have a 41% chance every time you do it. Don't fall victim to gamblers fallacy.
    QFT. I don't know why people want to think it's 41% out of 100 attempts. Every time you roll, you roll from zero
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    Sense we're on statistics, here's a trick some of you might know.


    Quote Originally Posted by Alukah View Post
    always in a row
    Well, yeah. Once a sequence breaks, it's no longer a sequence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    Come back when you try to meld materia with a 94% success rate and fail 3 times.
    I missed a 99% chance gather twice in a row, then a hit on a node after it failed too. I also succeeded a 14% meld, four times in a row once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haibel View Post
    QFT. I don't know why people want to think it's 41% out of 100 attempts. Every time you roll, you roll from zero
    If it is an actual 41% chance, then you expect the results to be 41 out of 100. That's literally what a percent is, a ratio out of 100. Saying 41% is the exact same thing as saying 41/100.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    If it is an actual 41% chance, then you expect the results to be 41 out of 100. That's literally what a percent is, a ratio out of 100. Saying 41% is the exact same thing as saying 41/100.
    The post wasn't saying it isn't 41/100%, it was saying it isn't 41% x 100 rolls. it's 41% x 1 roll, you fail or you pass. Your streak has no effect on the system, each time you try again it is back down to acting like it is your first roll. It doesn't maliciously decide ahead of time that you will fail 100 times in a row because it doesn't like you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    If it is an actual 41% chance, then you expect the results to be 41 out of 100. That's literally what a percent is, a ratio out of 100. Saying 41% is the exact same thing as saying 41/100.
    No, you don't. Over a long string of attempts it would equalize around there, but making 10 attempts you could fail all 10. Expecting otherwise is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haibel View Post
    To sum up. (You roll, you fail, end roll)(You roll, you fail, end roll)(You roll, you fail, end roll) ect....
    it's not. You roll, You fail, You fail, You fail, You fail, You fail, end roll. your failures are not in a row.
    I'm aware of that, I'm talking about getting the same end results from five different sequences that were done one after another, you may seem them unrelated because the sequences were different, I don't.
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