Blue Mage and Summoner responses worry me

[MrSmiley]

Q22: Currently, the summoner job is a DoT-focused job, but I want them to be more of a pet-focused job. Are there any plans to change the design of the summoner job?

A22: Controlling the pet would require a lot of player skill so it might be hard to find a good overall balance.

Q20: I love the blue mage job that appears in the FINAL FANTASY series. Will the blue mage job ever be implemented in FFXIV?

A20: I personally think the blue mage job is an interesting job because it requires learning an enemy’s ability and it would probably be a lot of fun to play if it implemented. However, it’s difficult to think about what role they will play in a party so it will require a lot of thinking if we do decide to implement the job in the future.

I was hoping the upcoming expansion and suck would allow them to expand a bit more on some classes or move away from the extremely rigid system they use now (all jobs must have a single role, the exact same amount of skills, etc). I'm not expecting it to go all XI on us, or even near that but I was hoping for...a bit more.
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These responses make me feel that the current rigid simplicity we have now, is there to stay forever and will be so on all future jobs/classes as well. Summoner can't be a bit more complicated to play by making the pet important, blue mage cant be flexible or fill multiple roles depending on skillset, it must have a single one.

I feel the system over time will start to wear thin, interesting or creative ideas ousted for simplicities sake. Even if we DID get a blue mage, it would have a handful of specific monster skills (one ever 5 levels) and a slew of generic class skills and likely wouldn't have the feel as a result. I feel they are throwing away a lot of opportunity.

Mind you we don't know exactly what is planned for the expansion yet and I may be surprised, but my initial feeling from these responses is it wont be anything major and everything will continue to sit on the same rigid path.

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TLDR; I feel not everything needs to be equally simple, but apparently they do


Edit again: If your gonna argue about summoner's particulars or ideas on them specifically, please do so here http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-also-Bard%29

[Exstal]

In regards to Summoner, they can just make it really complex so much so that if you're good, you're crushing (kind of like SMN now). If you're average, you can still defeat Bards. If you're bad...well, balance isn't based on bad players.

[MrSmiley]

In regards to Summoner, they can just make it really complex so much so that if you're good, you're crushing (kind of like SMN now). If you're average, you can still defeat Bards. If you're bad...well, balance isn't based on bad players.

Removed, lets stay on topic.

[Exstal]

Feel is subjective so it's really dev's feel vs (a few) player's feel.　What happens if they change it up and anger far more people than they please?　It's not black and white.

[Magis]

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Yeah, my thoughts exactly. I kept saying to people complaining about the game that I'm sticking with it and see what the expansion has in store. With this answer... I am not to sure how long my interesting can be kept.

[MrSmiley]

Feel is subjective so it's really dev's feel vs (a few) player's feel.　What happens if they change it up and anger far more people than they please?　It's not black and white.

Removed, off topic.

In any case, arguing about the feel of a summoner isn't my overall points. It's that they wont change it because they refuse to make anything complicated, it all has to be equally simple for every class/job.

[PArcher]

How many people use Ifrit in fights with lots of movement/AoEs around the boss?

Anyone?

That's how making SMN into mostly a pet job will be...but worse.

[Tupsi]

How many people use Ifrit in fights with lots of movement/AoEs around the boss?

Anyone?

That's how making SMN into mostly a pet job will be...but worse.

The issue are the egis in current design. If he had DoT enhancing abilities like Garuda..he'd get more utilization.

[MrSmiley]

How many people use Ifrit in fights with lots of movement/AoEs around the boss?

Anyone?

That's how making SMN into mostly a pet job will be...but worse.

If your gonna argue about summoner please do it here, http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-also-Bard%29
I made this thread in regards to their desire to not add any complexity to classes, which may restrict creativity on future classes. I would like to drop the summoner nonesense.

[Dotsusama]

For Blue Mage, think about it: the abilities you learned in FFXI made it to where you could, in theory, play just about any role in a party... but you were still a Blue Mage.

Apply this to queuing up for duties, and I'm sure the dilemma is obvious. You would get a BLU in a party, but perhaps they don't have all the skills needed to fill a support slot. Or they only have mitigation/tanking abilities active. Or maybe they hate healing, etc.

If you get a WHM that doesn't want to heal, you... kick them for a healer that is there to heal. Same thing for Warriors that want to DPS, but they have to queue as tanks because of the strict system.

So they would have to adjust EVERYTHING and break the whole system currently in place, just for BLU. Given they have already delayed 2.4 for NIN, I can't imagine how long it would take for them to even get close to having BLU. But I, like others, will wait and hope for that day.