Questions about PLD vs. WAR tanking

[Alphoter5]

Well you will have to learn how to tank multipl mobs with PLD. I did, took me some runs but did. Is really easy actually. Just spam Riot Blade and flash and repeat. All the time. Its boring, i know. But in my opinion, PLD is boring but better tank that WAR. Maybe im wrong.
Anyways, being boring or not,, doing what i told you is the best way of tanking mobs.
Gud Luc

[Kyana]

I either rotate full combos on each mob in order (full combo on 1, then full on 2, etc.) or I rotate in ascending order of attack so that rage of halone is used on the primary target.
Really I guess the best way to rotate between mobs will depend a lot on the situation and party makeup, for example do you want an even spread of agro because every one is aoeing or do you want more on a primary target because you have a mix of aoe and single target dpsing.

If you are in a situation where a pack of 3-4 mobs are killed with AoE skills, it's better to spread your combo to build higher enmity on more targets in a shorter time.
If you don't split combos up, you will end up with some of them running to the DDs.

If you tank a pack with single target DDs, using RoH on the main target is a good idea.

If you tank a pack of more than 4-5 mobs which get attacked with AoE skills, you won't have enough time to split anything up and gain enough enmity on all of them in a short time.
In this case Flash spam, CoS and Riot Blade are your best bet.

PS: character limit....I hate you

[SeraviEdalborez]

That's an interesting way to rotate between targets as I actually do it differently.
I either rotate full combos on each mob in order (full combo on 1, then full on 2, etc.) or I rotate in ascending order of attack so that rage of halone is used on the primary target.
Really I guess the best way to rotate between mobs will depend a lot on the situation and party makeup, for example do you want an even spread of agro because every one is aoeing or do you want more on a primary target because you have a mix of aoe and single target dpsing.

Doing the full combo on each mob before switching is excessive and a good way to guarantee that you lose hate on 3rd+ mobs to AoE.

You don't need a huge lead on every mob. Just need to be #1 for the first 80% of its life.

[Squa11_Leonhart]

The DPS/Healers need to watch to see if their meter is climbing and not going down, that is the first clue to back off.

The healer often can not see their own emnity bar. Not sure why this is though.

[Ignnis]

The healer often can not see their own emnity bar. Not sure why this is though.

If you mean the bars under the class icon then I think that's because you need to be targeting the monster to see it.

I've tanked as a gladiator twice, once on an alt and now starting on my main. Is say mark the monster to focus and use 2 flashes at the start and slowly work combos around the monsters.

If a dps is brain dead and can't figure our that 1 means kill this one first let them eat it. I had an archer in sastasha today, was in only the yukata stuff (no, not glamoured) she repeatedly refused to focuse and I told her twice, in the end I lost my nerve and let her eat the hate, remember how she was in that lvl 1 gear? Can you guess how fast she died? No I didn't remove it from her until me and the other dps finished with the other 2, the healer let her eat it too. Don't even ask me how the final boss went >>

[repoe]

Currently lvling pld and I def had my OP withdrawls early on. But depending on group you can tell after the first pull. What kind of DPS you have I adjust accordingl to ensure I maintained agro. Sleeper: lob, flash, kill. Aoe spammers or random mob attackers: lob, few flashes , ROH each additional mob,kill with enmity rotations on adds if needed

[Shref]

The healer often can not see their own emnity bar. Not sure why this is though.

the only time you should have to worry about a healer stealing hate is if there's a big gear discrepancy. otherwise, you should be building enough hate to where this isn't a problem. esp if they're using shroud. if a tank is losing hate to healers, he needs to learn how to get more hate.

[Squa11_Leonhart]

the only time you should have to worry about a healer stealing hate is if there's a big gear discrepancy. otherwise, you should be building enough hate to where this isn't a problem. esp if they're using shroud. if a tank is losing hate to healers, he needs to learn how to get more hate.

the only healers i have emnity troubles with are scholars who dot then bane.

[Eclipsed]

@OP

I would suggest sticking with the BLM for a bit now that you have unlocked it. You are in desperate need of a new perspective and greater understanding of how the mechanics of the game work. What the BLM initially did was fine and good play (though obviously his attitude could use work). You need to understand what it is like to play other classes as your recommendations and concerns are completely out of whack with how the community will expect you to play later on.

I don't say this with the intention of insulting. I mean it as very real advice. You aren't ready to tank this game yet, at least not until you understand the methods and tactics that the community have developed to beat the various fights. Sleep is never used (besides WP gimmick runs), personally I call out BLM's that use it in dungeons and tell them to stop slacking and aoe more. You criticize him for not using convert, which convert is a level 30 skill with Halatali being a level 23 max dungeon. He couldn't even use it. Everything you said in your first post just showed how little you actually know about the game.

As for how to deal with aoe? Both PLD and WAR have all the tools they need at all levels to perform their job. Granted it sucks that PLD is stuck with flash/riot spam on packs but it does work even against overnuking BLM's when used properly and sufficiently, at all levels. Flash yourself dry at the start then do 2-3 riots per flash depending on how hate is looking.

[whiskeybravo]

If you havent already. You should cycle through the mobs with your skills. For example, you have three mobs. Shield lob > Flash > Fast blade target #1. Than switch to #2, use Savage blade, And than switch to target #3 and use Rage of Halone. After all that do another flash. repeat the processs but b4 that, make sure you use fast blade on the current mob (in this case #3) so that the next one (#1) will get the enmity generation from savage blade.. I did this pre-shield oath and held aggro just fine.

Target #1 > SHield lob > Flash > Fast blade > Target #2 > Savage blade > Target #3 > Rage of Halone > Flash > fast blade > Target #1 > Savage blade. so on so forth.

Best advice here.. I typically pump a few flash (3-5 flash) before starting combos, then rotate combos between the # of targets, flashing in between as MP allows. AoE is difficult to manage for sure on PLD, much more than WAR. Also remember to use Fight or Flight always. The thing I always forget is when you're done with a particular set of mobs, move on to the next only to realize you have no MP or TP left once you've started pulling lol, make sure to wait a few sec between pulls to let your resources replenish.

Sleep is never used (besides WP gimmick runs), personally I call out BLM's that use it in dungeons and tell them to stop slacking and aoe more.

Sleep actually helps a lot a low level, esp once Deep Sleep trait is unlocked. Besides the fact it reduces incoming damage (which therefore reduces aggro generated by healers) and makes mobs easier to manage - single target damage is much greater at low level then any AoE damage. AoE'ing mobs at low level takes longer than it does to nuke them one by one. (main exception being the generally low-hp adds in boss fights)