Questions about PLD vs. WAR tanking

[Squa11_Leonhart]

He can't spam Fire II if he is dead.

lol!
This

if dps doesn't want to manage their own hate, let them taste dirt.

[Naraku_Diabolos]

I could not use my Rage of Halone in Halatali, though. That's where the party was at. I was actually doing better as GLA when I was in Tam-Tara normal with controlling the hate with the BLM in the party then.

And I was pulling correctly and all in the party, so I know I was doing my part.

[Anova]

I could not use my Rage of Halone in Halatali, though.

Ah sorry, that does change the situation somewhat. I honestly can't imagine what you might have done differently then. Hatalati is one of those dungeons with a strong DPS mechanic (changing targets and focus-targeting priority targets), so It's really difficult to say if your dps was trying to speedrun at lv.20 (not really possible with the levelsync) or was just confused.

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@OP

I would suggest sticking with the BLM for a bit now that you have unlocked it. You are in desperate need of a new perspective and greater understanding of how the mechanics of the game work. What the BLM initially did was fine and good play (though obviously his attitude could use work). You need to understand what it is like to play other classes as your recommendations and concerns are completely out of whack with how the community will expect you to play later on.

I don't say this with the intention of insulting. I mean it as very real advice. You aren't ready to tank this game yet, at least not until you understand the methods and tactics that the community have developed to beat the various fights. Sleep is never used (besides WP gimmick runs), personally I call out BLM's that use it in dungeons and tell them to stop slacking and aoe more. You criticize him for not using convert, which convert is a level 30 skill with Halatali being a level 23 max dungeon. He couldn't even use it. Everything you said in your first post just showed how little you actually know about the game.

As for how to deal with aoe? Both PLD and WAR have all the tools they need at all levels to perform their job. Granted it sucks that PLD is stuck with flash/riot spam on packs but it does work even against overnuking BLM's when used properly and sufficiently, at all levels. Flash yourself dry at the start then do 2-3 riots per flash depending on how hate is looking.

[Ringabell]

@OP

I would suggest sticking with the BLM for a bit now that you have unlocked it. You are in desperate need of a new perspective and greater understanding of how the mechanics of the game work. What the BLM initially did was fine and good play (though obviously his attitude could use work). You need to understand what it is like to play other classes as your recommendations and concerns are completely out of whack with how the community will expect you to play later on.

I don't say this with the intention of insulting. I mean it as very real advice. You aren't ready to tank this game yet, at least not until you understand the methods and tactics that the community have developed to beat the various fights. Sleep is never used (besides WP gimmick runs), personally I call out BLM's that use it in dungeons and tell them to stop slacking and aoe more. You criticize him for not using convert, which convert is a level 30 skill with Halatali being a level 23 max dungeon. He couldn't even use it. Everything you said in your first post just showed how little you actually know about the game.

As for how to deal with aoe? Both PLD and WAR have all the tools they need at all levels to perform their job. Granted it sucks that PLD is stuck with flash/riot spam on packs but it does work even against overnuking BLM's when used properly and sufficiently, at all levels. Flash yourself dry at the start then do 2-3 riots per flash depending on how hate is looking.

OP likely meant "Transpose" as he said:

"I mean, now all I have left to unlock is BLM, and I know how to do that rotations between Astral Fire and Umbral Ice with converting to regain lost MP."

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OP likely meant "Transpose" as he said:

"I mean, now all I have left to unlock is BLM, and I know how to do that rotations between Astral Fire and Umbral Ice with converting to regain lost MP."

You just made my point. OP is not knowledgeable enough about the classes or the game to be dictating to others how they should play. That is ok. None of us were when we started out. Just meant we had to take a passive position until we learned what things are called and how the people have come to play the game. Then we were able to become teachers.

and @ Whisky

As someone who has leveled every dps job in the game and both tanks, and working on healers I would respectfully disagree. Sleep is never beneficial if you want a smooth, fast run. AOE is perfectly viable at all levels it is available. And I have seen thousands of pulls go bad and/or take 10 times as long to kill in lowbie dungeons because the blm wouldn't aoe. The biggest problem is that dps and healers (during down time) are not aggressive enough in doing damage. When they are aggressive the runs go smooth as butter. Heck I saw a post on Reddit yesterday where consensus was agreed, you can not nuke and be a good healer or you can nuke and be a great one. Your example is just an example of players that are just too timid or undergeared for the content they are doing.

[Naraku_Diabolos]

@OP

I would suggest sticking with the BLM for a bit now that you have unlocked it. You are in desperate need of a new perspective and greater understanding of how the mechanics of the game work. What the BLM initially did was fine and good play (though obviously his attitude could use work). You need to understand what it is like to play other classes as your recommendations and concerns are completely out of whack with how the community will expect you to play later on.

I don't say this with the intention of insulting. I mean it as very real advice. You aren't ready to tank this game yet, at least not until you understand the methods and tactics that the community have developed to beat the various fights. Sleep is never used (besides WP gimmick runs), personally I call out BLM's that use it in dungeons and tell them to stop slacking and aoe more. You criticize him for not using convert, which convert is a level 30 skill with Halatali being a level 23 max dungeon. He couldn't even use it. Everything you said in your first post just showed how little you actually know about the game.

As for how to deal with aoe? Both PLD and WAR have all the tools they need at all levels to perform their job. Granted it sucks that PLD is stuck with flash/riot spam on packs but it does work even against overnuking BLM's when used properly and sufficiently, at all levels. Flash yourself dry at the start then do 2-3 riots per flash depending on how hate is looking.

Oh, I meant the ability to switch from Astral Fire to Umbral Ice, not Convert. I'm thinking of FFXI >_< I meant Transpose. And I do know how to rotate with those on THM/BLM since my first character Naraku Diabolos. No, he was trying to hit all the monsters with Fire II to damage them. It draws too much hate if he did that. He needed to focus on the main monster who I was attacking. At Lv20, Fire II is not needed. I rarely use it myself and you do way more damage and attack faster if you just use Fire.

[Nova_Rox]

Don't forget that you don't have to ONLY ws your current target. They generate enmity, rotate it on multiple enemies if you're having trouble.

[Nicole_Valkyrie]

Well, the reason why ppl think that war is better than pala is because SE committed an "error". War has always the right tank stance while pala receives first the Sword Oath instead of the Shield Oath. So, until you received the Shield Oath, your work will almost always be worse than a war. That's why in some fates they can "steal" your enemie. So, unless you aren't doing flash + fast blade + riot blade and flash you aren't doing anything wrong. You just should use fast blade + savage blade and rage of halone when it's with one mob or two.

[dday3six]

Tanking at low levels, especially per lvl 26, can't be a bit tricky. One thing many low level pals forget is that Shield Lob generates increased enmity and there is no shame in using it even when right on top on the mob. Also remember that because Flash uses MP it does not break combos even though it's on GCD. So you can Fast Blade, Flash, Savage Blade to make up in part for not having Rage of Halone yet.

On that note the better deeps are going to realize when it's time to do things like spread dots to other mobs to keep from pulling aggro.