Combat Gameplay - Ninja

[Radacci]

your story is your alone, what other heroes do have little to no impact to it.
do not hope to be able to pick rogue directly with the 2.4, you will probably need to finish the new quest line. it's logical and that will not be the first time they do this.
the best example come from FF11, where for get acces to some class, like samurai you had to have acces to some area, that was asking before hand to have complet a certain number of the story quest.

But this isn't XI...XI doesn't have classes, XIV does. All classes are always available, you unlock the jobs.
Rogue is tied to Limsa, and has been existing as a hidden guild, all along; You join the Rogue Guild, lv up, and then you go to Yugiri, at lv 30, and become Ninja.
As a new player in 2.4, you might as well come directly from the Rogue guild. Would be totally retarded to lock it out behind 2.4 storyline, since you'd need to go through 2.0-2.4, to be able to play Rogue?? not gonna happen...

[Kisshu]

But this isn't XI...XI doesn't have classes, XIV does. All classes are always available, you unlock the jobs.
Rogue is tied to Limsa, and has been existing as a hidden guild, all along; You join the Rogue Guild, lv up, and then you go to Yugiri, at lv 30, and become Ninja.
As a new player in 2.4, you might as well come directly from the Rogue guild. Would be totally retarded to lock it out behind 2.4 storyline, since you'd need to go through 2.0-2.4, to be able to play Rogue?? not gonna happen...

Well, we know that the rogue guild is in limsa before 2.2 story, so it's most likely that it's already there when the we adventurers start the game. So we could in theory start as rogue and the ninja job is locked till at least 2.2 is cleared and Yugiri joins the group. (But doubt it's gonna happen since that would confuse new players and we know what Yoshida thinks about them)
FFXI was more simple for expansion pack jobs: a few quests to get to the new area, a quest or two to unlock the job and you're done. But FFXIV changes this a lot with the class -> job system

[silentwindfr]

But this isn't XI...XI doesn't have classes, XIV does. All classes are always available, you unlock the jobs.
Rogue is tied to Limsa, and has been existing as a hidden guild, all along; You join the Rogue Guild, lv up, and then you go to Yugiri, at lv 30, and become Ninja.
As a new player in 2.4, you might as well come directly from the Rogue guild. Would be totally retarded to lock it out behind 2.4 storyline, since you'd need to go through 2.0-2.4, to be able to play Rogue?? not gonna happen...

it will happend, since the rogue guild knowledge it's tie to the story quest of the 2.2...make player be able to be ninja and rogue before will be dumb in many way, they respect the lore they create.
you can see the rogue/ninja like a tier 2 class/jobs, they have always talk of the tiers 2, meaning this jobs can't get it without level other jobs or you can't get it from the start. i will not even be surprise to see the black mage as one of the recquirement for the ninja.

i will go farer, i don't expect them to release the class from the expansion directly, they will probably too ask to reach a certain level in the story for get acces to them... why? Glamour, dyeing, mount,... a lot of content recquire to reach a certain level or point in the story for get unlocked. that the same principle. FF14 are not a game where you play only one class, then put some class behind story don't seems soo stupid, actually it's clever. it will make sure the person know enough the game mechanic for be able to play harder class.

[Radacci]

Well, we know that the rogue guild is in limsa before 2.2 story, so it's most likely that it's already there when the we adventurers start the game. So we could in theory start as rogue and the ninja job is locked till at least 2.2 is cleared and Yugiri joins the group. (But doubt it's gonna happen since that would confuse new players and we know what Yoshida thinks about them)
FFXI was more simple for expansion pack jobs: a few quests to get to the new area, a quest or two to unlock the job and you're done. But FFXIV changes this a lot with the class -> job system

Well that's true. But it's not even certain that Yugiri herself, will be Ninja trainer? I'm quite sure both Rogue and Ninja, will be available from the get-go. But then again, you were locked down in starting nation, for a while...so we'll see.

it will happend, since the rogue guild knowledge it's tie to the story quest of the 2.2...make player be able to be ninja and rogue before will be dumb in many way, they respect the lore they create.
you can see the rogue/ninja like a tier 2 class/jobs, they have always talk of the tiers 2, meaning this jobs can't get it without level other jobs or you can't get it from the start. i will not even be surprise to see the black mage as one of the recquirement for the ninja.

i will go farer, i don't expect them to release the class from the expansion directly, they will probably too ask to reach a certain level in the story for get acces to them... why? Glamour, dyeing, mount,... a lot of content recquire to reach a certain level or point in the story for get unlocked. that the same principle. FF14 are not a game where you play only one class, then put some class behind story don't seems soo stupid, actually it's clever. it will make sure the person know enough the game mechanic for be able to play harder class.

No it isn't, Thancred was part of the Rogue guild, when he was younger. So the Rogue Guild has been around (in secret) since before the calamity. So there's no reason we wouldn't be able to join in from the start.
There was no mention of SCH or SMN, before they became available, and you could pick them up from the start. And it will be the same with ROG/NIN.
The only reason why ROG guild hasn't been available....is cause they hadn't developed it. Whenever they add it, ROG guild will be available; Because lorewise, the ROG guild has been around since before events in 1.0.
So when 2.4 comes, ROG will be available retroactively.
As for NIN...we'll see. I guess it's a possibility it will be locked behind story, but i doubt it. Probably we'll meet some placeholder NPC, or Yugiri isn't the actually NIN trainer to begin with.
There's that alchemist from Thavnair, that upgrades our relic weps, even though Thavnair isn't available to us; i'm sure some Doman NIN will appear in Eorzea, before Yugiri arrives, and this person trains us as NIN.

I can see why you need to at least finish 2.2 main story. It's not that long and at least it'll reduce the amount of people playing NIN.

eeh, the main story 2.0-2,2 is long and annoying as hell!!! did you not do Titan part yet, or forget about it?
the entire story is just a long chain of long chains of annoying teleporting from grid->limsa, back and forth, over and over, and then some more.
and i dont see why they would lock nin behind 2.2 story, for the sake of reducing ninja bandwagoning...
there's gonna be a shitstorm with ppl complaining they cant play rog/nin. so im sure that's not gonna happen