Combat Gameplay - Ninja

[silentwindfr]

they haven't show the ice spell, and i have seen utsusemi, but i wonder what it's over the head of the ninja.

[MirielleLavandre]

There's a view of the ice spell here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5LJUBaug_g @ 0:22 but I don't think it shows the steps to cast. Does the NIN in ff14 have Utsusemi like in ff11? I thought NINs in FF14 weren't getting shadows?

[Renik]

If ninja can be played from the start i will be expecting SMNs to get primals as summons, because well, they can't respect so much a part of the lore and ignore another, it doesn't matter how much new players and alt lovers would like it to be available form the start, it makes no sense and the only way to make it would be changing the story, and that's not happening for obvious reasons.

So no, NIN and ROG shouldn't be playable from the start, what SE does is another story, again if they make it playable, i want a primal shape summon for my smn.

[Radacci]

If ninja can be played from the start i will be expecting SMNs to get primals as summons, because well, they can't respect so much a part of the lore and ignore another, it doesn't matter how much new players and alt lovers would like it to be available form the start, it makes no sense and the only way to make it would be changing the story, and that's not happening for obvious reasons.

So no, NIN and ROG shouldn't be playable from the start, what SE does is another story, again if they make it playable, i want a primal shape summon for my smn.

uhm they have nothing in common...
and if you capped SMN, summoning egis, is part of the lore. Summoning primals is what the beastmen do, and we're killing the primals for a reason. So ignoring the lore, and destroying the world? don't think that's gonna happen, sorry.

[Renik]

uhm they have nothing in common...
and if you capped SMN, summoning egis, is part of the lore. Summoning primals is what the beastmen do, and we're killing the primals for a reason. So ignoring the lore, and destroying the world? don't think that's gonna happen, sorry.

Making a secret society public is breaking lore as well, so i'm asking for no sense if more no sense is added.

Don't get me wrong, i think it would be a bad idea having it locked after story, if i haven't tried WoW enough it's because i couldn't be death knight or w/e it was called from the start, but it's the lore they have created, if they can change it to made nin available from the start then they can make primal shape summons w/o being primals, ppl have asked for this, and some left the game because of this, it's the same situation, again this is not about the ugliness of the egis, i'm just saying they already said "no because of lore."

[myahele]

FF14 like gating new content via gil/time sink. Leveling to 50 is fast enough as is. Leveling a 2nd job will be faster.

[KuroganeAre]

All Ninja Fate parties coming soon.

[Mikedizzy]

I have a few thoughts on this. First off the lore would not fit if you could start the game as Rogue class...if the guild was secret then it is still secret until you get to that point in the story. I can see them doing something crazy and letting people do it though to drive new players though (bad idea in my opinion). They really need to lock this behind story as "good for the game" to limit how many Ninjas are running around (there is going to be enough of us already). Ninja needs to be a reward for those of us that have put in the work and progressed to that point...it should not be a "Give Me" job and not earned. I really think what ever the cross classes are you should also have to have those Jobs to 50 to tightened it up even more. I really hope that they implement this Job the right way and don't mess it up.

[Radacci]

Making a secret society public is breaking lore as well, so i'm asking for no sense if more no sense is added.

Don't get me wrong, i think it would be a bad idea having it locked after story, if i haven't tried WoW enough it's because i couldn't be death knight or w/e it was called from the start, but it's the lore they have created, if they can change it to made nin available from the start then they can make primal shape summons w/o being primals, ppl have asked for this, and some left the game because of this, it's the same situation, again this is not about the ugliness of the egis, i'm just saying they already said "no because of lore."

Oh, so figuring out stuff about the ascians, is breaking lore too?
It's not really *secret* since Thancred was in it, and all the other scions knew about it, as well as limsa officials.

I have a few thoughts on this. First off the lore would not fit if you could start the game as Rogue class...if the guild was secret then it is still secret until you get to that point in the story. I can see them doing something crazy and letting people do it though to drive new players though (bad idea in my opinion). They really need to lock this behind story as "good for the game" to limit how many Ninjas are running around (there is going to be enough of us already). Ninja needs to be a reward for those of us that have put in the work and progressed to that point...it should not be a "Give Me" job and not earned. I really think what ever the cross classes are you should also have to have those Jobs to 50 to tightened it up even more. I really hope that they implement this Job the right way and don't mess it up.

If you're a new player, and start as rogue, you're coming from the guild, regardless if anyone else knows of it's existence. or ppl in rogue guild wouldn't be in the rogue guild, cause it's a secret, so they couldn't know about it...
And what's so special about Ninja, that you need to gate it, when no other class/job is? why would ninja be a reward, but not sch/smn?
i know it's a bit of a mess to make it available from the start, cause of 2.2 story, but i'm sure they have something in place, that will make sense. ppl have been complaining about other stuff, that didnt make sense, but then it was implemented, and it made sense, and everyone stopped complaining...will be same here. Rog/Nin will be available from the start, and it will make sense
Why would SE want to limit how many play Nin? if they developed it, they obviously want ppl to try it out.

[Renik]

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It's lore breaking, it can be changed, the same way egi shape could be changed , but SE decided not to do it, it is possible but SE should keep their mind or change it for everything.

Edit, forgot a part, i have the same opinion about ROG not being lorebreaking if you start being part of the guild, but nin is lore breaking before 2.4, and we know a lvl 50 class w/o job crystal can be gimp.