Combat Gameplay - Ninja

[Radacci]

Hehe - like I said, I played FFXI for 8 years since it launched in NA. The grind there was so much more than any kind of grind that could exist in this game. Even atma farming pales in comparison to just plain leveling in FFXI (needing a full party to pretty much do anything pre-Abyssea). Even with Abyssea getting my AF3 took forever due to the boss spawns and number of times needed to be killed, and adding getting all the 'needed' atmas via Abyssea bosses....ugh. I was mainly merely pointing out that it makes no sense to make anyone have to finish the main story far past Praetorium (or even be lvl 50) just to play the newly released class/job. From a PR perspective that would be incredibly foolish.

yah, that's what i was saying too. ppl would go bananas if they couldn't be rog/nin, from the beginning.
And they are keeping the game simplified, to make it accessible to many ppl. Gating Nin behind all those quests, wouldn't be accessibility.

[silentwindfr]

it's not foolish it's normal, the dojo will not appear before the 2.4, then you can't be this class before this... that like this.
it will give new player something to do and look for. and i'm sorry but get 50 and do all the quest to the 2.3 take less of one week... then please stop to make it look like it's tedious.

it's not different than people saying it's not normal to need to be 50 for get the option to glamour...
like said before the game don't stop with 1 class leveled...

[Vaer]

it's not foolish it's normal, the dojo will not appear before the 2.4, then you can't be this class before this... that like this.
it will give new player something to do and look for. and i'm sorry but get 50 and do all the quest to the 2.3 take less of one week... then please stop to make it look like it's tedious.

I really doubt they are going to lock it out since they are probably assuming a lot of new players are going to start playing just to play this class.

Not only would it be stupid from a business standpoint, it's a terrible design decision to make someone play the entire game on a class they might not want to play just to unlock a class they actually want to play even if it takes a week. I mean this would make it the only class that wouldn't have access to storyline quests to level.

Maybe they will lock it out, but it would be a boneheaded decision if there ever was one.

[Kisshu]

Not only would it be stupid from a business standpoint, it's a terrible design decision to make someone play the entire game on a class they might not want to play just to unlock a class they actually want to play even if it takes a week. I mean this would make it the only class that wouldn't have access to storyline quests to level.

There are right now 303 main scenario quests(that's including both Limsa/Gridania/Uldah first quests), even if 2.2 is around the 150 mark, that's a lot of playtime just to unlock that one class/job, which you then have to level.
I know FFXI had a level requirement to unlock any job besides the first 6 jobs. However, the subjob system in FFXI meant that a PLD would start as a WAR till 30, unlock PLD and use the WAR as subjob, thus not wasting time.

[MirielleLavandre]

Getting 50 and beating all of 2.3 takes far longer than a week unless you have totally nothing else to do. Imagine what it is like for a new player and try saying that to them (unless they are a kid and actually don't have a family to take care of or such). It IS foolish to gate something they are building so much hype about, like a new class/job, to people who have already 'beat' the game. Did you ever play FFXI? No job was ever released there that wasn't available to people who weren't yet max level - it would upset the player base too much.

[xnonamex]

The class looks pretty fun. Will be a nightmare to lvl in dungeons though. most prob FC lvling alliances will be needed

That said i hope that in real game the animations and gameplay will be smooth. Because on paper a lot of classes look really cool. but we all know what animation problems we actually have in real life. They tried it there on an empty wold against one mob. In real life the stuff will be different + taking delay into account.

[Stridentzephon]

They already said they will make all classes obtainable for 2.4 and on without requiring some kinda of endgame grind. They already said they will be making it easier for new player that will be joining in 3.0 in last 3 interviews. I highly suspend it will just be a level 30 quest with a few jobs required to be leveled/

[silentwindfr]

endgame grind, too long, too boring... you do realize that the new player need to learn the game mechanic in a way or another, or when they will be 50... well they will lack the knowledge of them own class for be able to face harder content, right?

from what we have seen from the video, you need to enter yourself each sign for the ninjustsu spell, meaning you don't simply push a button and paf the spell come out, you need to memorize the right order for get the spell come out, while being a melee class that will need to avoid all the shit coming to him. it seems to rely too on position (sadly) that a lot of stuff to learn...
but let's put that a side, even if the class will be available directly without... do the story that explain how we do get acces to it. they will still need to level the other class for get the jobs recquirement for the ninja or maybe even get the cross skill...

all that said that whatever you say, you will need to level up another class, more important, if you want to have acces to all, you need to do the story quest... it's not a grind, it can be boring if you don't really care for the story, and it's far to be difficult.
it's not different of the people crying because they had to get a level 50 for get the glamour available. the game ask to have a class 50. and with the lore as it is... give the rogue like it was normal it's a nonsense!

we dunno how they will handle the transition between the 2.x to 3.x quest line, and personally i will be find this sad if they don't have to do it. but that them choice for later... but right now, get the rogue without at least the 2.2 done... it's stupid and simply spiting at the face of the people writing the story and saying: "we don't care we only want to have our fun... the story is not needed!"

but anyway, it's them choice, we will see. however, i seriously hope, they will stop to care soo much for the new player, the new player experience it's already far too short for what it's needed later, they don't have the time to learn the basic of the game. i have seen a lot of level 50 that don't even know the most simple cycle of them class. the 1-50 it's extremely fast and get the story done now it's more simpler than before.

[Massterchef]

Looks like the thunder ninjutsu is a basic ST attack

Water ninjutsu adds a 5 second buff required to perform 2 additional off GCD skills.

Fire ninjutsu is an AoE

[Radacci]

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well you know, there's echo, and buying sands, with marks, and all that...so they want to make it easier for ppl, not harder.
those that don't know how to play their job....well even if they had to finish 2.2 story, to unlock nin...it wouldn't change anything; they would just go from being bad at one job, to being bad nin. you need to play nin, to learn nin, not go through 2.2 story as drg, then learn rog/nin, from scratch. they will eventually work their way through story content, and end game content...and stay bad, or get better...
and i dont see any indication of nin relying on position...they were moving around a bit, to show that some skills are ranged.
If you dont learn your class/job, from 1-50, you probably won't get much better anyway. And there's already lots of gated content, like all primals, coil, many instances. So for the most part, you won't see ppl in those content, unless they have some basic knowledge of their job. But yah, even if they gated rog/nin, it won't do anything to improve ppl skill.