14 Hour Atma Challenge and Echo Challenge

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And you know why a "4 mth" old argument is still around?

It is because ppl did try. If ppl just sit around and did nuts, they would have went for other stuff. Since i110 weapons are like candy nowadays.

For me I am still 5/12. I basically just go do other stuff, whenever I am online. I'll do the FATES if I happen to pass by nowadays.

I have FCmates working on second Norvus, I have some with at least 2 ATMA weapons. Myself and some have at least 1 ilv100/1 weapon but no ATMA. And finally a grp that have none.

What you statement basically says everyone that is complaining didn't even try and since "I have mine so as others have, the means those who dont have and complaining are waiting for hand outs."

Snd you see nothing wrong with that and brush it off with.
*Not gonna rehash a 4mth old argument.*

And we wonder why *we have a toxic community*

Actually no, most arguments nowadays are about hunts, not atmas. My guess is those people complaining about it actually pulled up their socks and decided to give it a serious attempt and got theirs.

Here's the thing. Numbers are just numbers without anything to back them up. I could say I got 12 in 1 hour and you could say you got none in 200 hours. Neither of us would be right in that sense. I however ask you to go to Mor Dhona and inspect thirty lvl 50 characters and check what weapon they are using. When I did it just now, 12 out of 30 had were using an atma/animus/novus, 10 had the soldiery weapon, 4 had zenith/base relic and 2 were using HA and 2 were using some other weapon. These are facts that cannot be disputed. Many people already do have their atmas. On the other hand, when people say that they farmed 2000 fates without a single drop, based on what I see I either find it an exaggeration or feel sorry for them if it were true. There have been many cases already where its proven that people exaggerate about the number of fates they done to make a point. Based on the simple theory of probability, the fact that so many people have already gotten their atmas means that the median drop rate (which has been estimated to be 1%) cannot be skewed to one extreme side like you are claiming. If so, you would see only a handful of people having it at the moment. The outliers in either extreme end of the spectrum would be a very very small number.

And you misunderstand me. I never once said they never try. But I also know people who do 2-3 fates, then go do something else for an hour and come back later and they count that as "fate farming" time. I've also seen people that farm fates inefficiently, they stay for the whole fate or they don't teleport. I also told people who were terrified of atmas cause of the horror stories but when they actually devoted time to it they got theirs in a reasonable amount of time. So before you brush me off as being toxic, have you considered all these factors? The reason I don't wish to bring it up again is because there was a thread about it way back and trust me, all these issues have been brought up before so why should I waste my time posting about it again?

"The system was kind to me, so all of you are just whining"

Quality posting!

I have nothing better to add so I'll rather make a post whining about whining. You deserve a star!