Warrior Improvement Questions

[Krindor]

Uhm, i'm a noob warrior and i need some clarifications here...
Let me first say that i've not yet done any major 8-men content (i guess CT and ST don't count), so i'm not familiar with tank swapping and advanced things like that..
My question is about Defiance: why is it so bad to have it on when i'm OT? As long as i use only Storm's Path and Storm's Eye combo, i shouldn't pose much of a threat to the MT aggro, should i? Besides, i feel that Wrath stacks are handy, allowing me to have Steel Cyclone ready in case of need.

When not tanking an OT is a DPS and the 25% damage reduction is a lot of damage lost, as you aren't tanking the damage taken should still be lower than that of a DD and therefor the extra healing received is not needed, and steel cyclone is rarely used in bosses with swap mechanics and if it really is needed we can always use Infuriate.

Ouza, Defiance isn't on the GCD it's an off GCD skill.

[Marukoban]

18. I’m supposed to spam provoke and not deal damage (or “flash,” I hate those who insist on only “flash”)

Other people have said a lot of useful things in this thread, but I'd really like to point out that this might be the reason why you keep pulling hate from the MT.
Provoke puts your enmity equal to the highest enmity level +1. Using it followed by a skill with 3/5x enmity multiplier will always pull the boss to you no matter how well the MT is playing or if you have Defiance on/off.
If you really do spam Provoke as OT, I can kind of understand why some of your party members were pissed off.
There are only 3 scenarios ever you might want to use Provoke:
1.) Tank swap, which you probably won't do for a while
2.) Pull random mobs aggroed by your party members
3.) Long range 25y pull


Playing as warrior in 4-man dungeon is really very simple.
Always open with Tomahawk - Overpower - Steel Cyclone/Overpower - then just rotate your combo on the mobs or continue Overpower if your party is doing speed run AoEing the mobs.
In 8-man content depending on whether you are MT or OT, you can do different thing.
OT should just do SE-SP combo with Defiance off. You SHOULD NOT ever take aggro as Warrior OT if your MT is halfway decent. The SE-SP combo has no enmity multiplier at all (cmiiw).
MT against single target should open with Tomahawk - Butcher's Block combo once or twice depending on how geared you are compared to your party, then do either SE-BB-(BB)-(BB) or SP-BB-(BB)-(BB).
Use Unchained with Berserk and Internal Release together whenever they're up. You should always use Unchained with Berserk, and never use it without Berserk.

[Ouza]

I get range from MT when i DONT use flash as the OT to take agro off them. (WTH)
thank you for the rest, it confirms that I have been playing all this past weekend the correct way, despite the DPS dungeon trolls who say otherwise.

i came to the forums for helpful advice because by Friday afternoon I was reduced to tears and begging my husband Sasoriza (my husband in real life) to cancel my account because of the hate I receive in dungeosn and how I am treated. no real helpful advice, all rage and hate speech. he begged me to try posting my questions on the forums to get helpful advice before giving up.

thank you for not trolling this thread.

[Ouza]

Other people have said a lot of useful things in this thread, but I'd really like to point out that this might be the reason why you keep pulling hate from the MT.

Provoke puts your enmity equal to the highest enmity level +1. Using it followed by a skill with 3/5x enmity multiplier will always pull the boss to you no matter how well the MT is playing or if you have Defiance on/off.
If you really do spam Provoke as OT, I can kind of understand why some of your party members were pissed off.
There are only 3 scenarios ever you might want to use Provoke:
1.) Tank swap, which you probably won't do for a while
2.) Pull random mobs aggroed by your party members
3.) Long range 25y pull


Playing as warrior in 4-man dungeon is really very simple.
Always open with Tomahawk - Overpower - Steel Cyclone/Overpower - then just rotate your combo on the mobs or continue Overpower if your party is doing speed run AoEing the mobs.
In 8-man content depending on whether you are MT or OT, you can do different thing.
OT should just do SE-SP combo with Defiance off. You SHOULD NOT ever take aggro as Warrior OT if your MT is halfway decent. The SE-SP combo has no enmity multiplier at all (cmiiw).
MT against single target should open with Tomahawk - Butcher's Block combo once or twice depending on how geared you are compared to your party, then do either SE-BB-(BB)-(BB) or SP-BB-(BB)-(BB).
Use Unchained with Berserk and Internal Release together whenever they're up. You should always use Unchained with Berserk, and never use it without Berserk.

I get rage from MT when i DONT use flash as the OT to take agro off them. (WTH)

i get rage from DPs when I refuse to spam provoke or flash and I use overpower or AOE's instead.
thank you for the rest, it confirms that I have been playing all this past weekend the correct way, despite the DPS dungeon trolls who say otherwise.

i came to the forums for helpful advice because by Friday afternoon I was reduced to tears and begging my husband Sasoriza (my husband in real life) to cancel my account because of the hate I receive in dungeosn and how I am treated. no real helpful advice, all rage and hate speech. he begged me to try posting my questions on the forums to get helpful advice before giving up.

thank you for not trolling this thread.

[Killabye]

i used to get angry in dungeons over other tanks and people, dont trip. you gotta be sure whether you want MT or OT then you also have to be geared for MT. if youre highest geared and want MT you have to take it and unless you hold it well theyll keep trying you. theres fun in playing ot to, pld puts up damage with sword oath and war you can dps decently. the other thing that makes things easier, (i dont always do this cuz idc) is doing the boring thing, f f f rb fff rb or op op op on mobs. then if youre tanking my rule is if they can provoke off me and keep without me provoking they can have it

[Killabye]

ot too make sure you use your rotations, you can leave shield oath on a lot if you riot blade and you have multiple non aggro combos as war. if you show respect in some and let them have mt they give it back, otherwise take it and say **** em. also im 32, lotta people dont understand the difference in this and say ffvii, from 8 buttons to like 50, honest 50. if youre dual trigger controller you got 32 single button moves. we had a game you cound only jump in. its not an easy transition so screw them. its a ff game, the ff legacy was always being helpful and nice so if people are rude let them die. i started doing fun stuff in st just for when i get punks. if a or b is giving me problems since im usually mt without provoking i take the monster over and kill their party. if dps is being punks i just let them die lol if anything find a static to help you with cool people and you should be fine

[Kyana]

when Adds spawn behind you and immediately go after the DPS (usually also behind you ) is there a trick to getting agro off them any quicker than flash/provoke > overpower/tamahawk > heavy blade/steel cyclone?

You should never have adds spawn behind you. They always spawn at the same spots, so just position yourself in a way that you will have them in front of you when they spawn.
Should you fail to position yourself you should still know where they spawn and turn soon enough to get them when they spawn.


To me it sounds like you just put too much thought into things.
Honestly, if you want to tank you either have to grow a thick skin or play with real friends who respect you.
If the things other people throw at you are too much, either avoid using DF with randoms or go with the flow of things and stay in the background.
Tanking is a thankless job.

Let's play through a couple of situations and how a normal tank would react:

1. Party members flame you for not pulling more mobs at once.
=> If you don't think they can handle it, or if there are single target DDs, ignore them.

2. Party members pull stuff on purpose.
=> Let them have all the mobs they want and don't bother with them. They will learn.

3. People won't let you tank.
=> Just switch do DD mode and let them have it. Take over if the MT dies and show them how good you are.
Never try to steal aggro from another tank, that's low.

4. You want to tank.
=> Just do it. Start as soon as everyone is gathered and buffed.
If someone tries to steal hate refer to 3.

5. The party leaves you behind as sacrifice.
=> Get ahead of them and leave them behind with the mobs if they take too long.

6. Someone yells at you because you lost hate of a mob out of a pack and couldn't get it back.
=> Set targets, if they ignore the set target, ignore them.

7. Players blame you for everything from low damage, bad healing, deaths, taking damage, not using abilities, using abilities, tanking the boss north, south, west, east or in the center up to hunger, poverty cancer and the death of their cat/dog.
=> Ignore them. As a good tank you know yourself when you messed up.

[Ouza]

thank you so very much, this is just what I needed to hear.

[Paka]

Good luck.

[Killabye]

idk how other mmos are but i feel overwhelmed a lot in ff. we tried t7 and i totally looked an idiot. i wouldnt trip, tank to me seems the hardest class. dps and heals are hard in there own way but tank has to keep the party alive and be aware the whole time. you get in coil and youre switching mobs, moving bosses etc i just figure if it were the easy job i wouldnt insta queu