Warrior Improvement Questions

[Kumabear76]

What i am seeing here is that other players refuse to play as a team. I also main WAR and my wife is a SCH. But when we group up and run dungeons, we are very clear cut on how to treat certain DPS. As the tank, if you are in a 4 man dungeon, take a quick second to assess the other other players' jobs and gear. While not 100% true, you can usually figure out how your run will be right at the beginning and adjust your style accordingly. Even then, sometimes some quick communication is always a good thing. For example, if the party looks like they are extremely high iLvl and you aren't sure if you can handle big pulls, then just let them know. After the first one or two trash fights, you can get a pretty good idea on how the rest o the run will be also.

Another example, if you get a BLM & BRD in your pt, be ready for a lot of AoE damage. Don't bother marking. Grab a mob, Flash, try to get 2-3 Overpowers in, Infuriate, then Steel Cyclone. That should give you plenty of starting emnity for the mobs. From there start working on rotating your Butcher Block combo around while watching the aggro bars for any spikes. Overpower of Flash occasionally if you have to, and keep Steel Cycloning for that hate.

Other times, you get DRG's and MNK's, this is where you got to keep your eyes open. There are many DRG's and MNK's that will go balls to the wall right out of the gate and produce some stupid high numbers right at the start. Times like this, you should probably watch the first fight and see if they like attacking different mobs than you are. Start marking if they become a problem. If they continue to attack the wrong mob, let them have it. Remind them when they are either dead or near dead that the markers are there for a reason. Most DRG's and MNK's have very high wait times for roulettes, so they tend to listen.

In 8 man parties, if there is a PLD, you are likely to be the OT. this is when you simply watch your own hate. I personally keep Defiance up to have my self-healing moves (Inner Beast) available. Inner Beast is also a Buff, so it lowers your incoming damage as well from any random AoE's. Also, having a Steel Cyclone ready if adds pop up is very helpful. If you are OT though, don't use the Butcher Block Combo. I alternate between the Storm's Eye Combo, and Storm's Path Combo. Storm's Eye decreases target's slashing resistance by 10%, giving the PLD MT an extra little boost.

Provoke is your friend, believe me. If a mob goes astray, 'Voke it and IMMEDIATELY use another emnity move.

If a person in your party gets hate and runs around or away like a 'tard, that's on them. Smart DPS's or healers run at the Tank when they get hate so the tank can get it back without risking the rest of the party.

Also, if a CNJ/WHM uses the stupid water blast in a fight, or Carby/Garuda does the move that pushes a mob away, tell the offending player to stop it. Having to run after the mob and reposition it for the melee is a pain in the ass all for one little move that does minimal damage.

Most importantly, remember, if you are the MT, YOU ARE IN CHARGE. You know your survivabilty better than anyone else. Work with your healer to establish a good flow between you two. Once established, good DPS's will usually flow right in with you and you will have an excellent run.

Good luck and happy gaming!

[Dotsusama]

I can then spend 20,000 gill repairing my iL90 gear after 5 or 6 deaths

I think we're the ones being taken on a troll tour...

[Ouza]

no, i promise.. i've been getting soo much hate.. in dungeons.. and taking the blame for so much crap.. and i just want to be a better tanks and was not sure what i was missing.

this game definitely makes use think, cant button mash here, like never winter, and still do a good job.

[alimdia]

Anyone that plays a tank should be able to tell that this thread is most likely a troll one.
On the off chance that you were being serious, you said you run dungeons with your husband.
Just vote kick all the dumbasses or leave and make the DPS wait 30 mins for their queue.

For Praetorium, pull all the mobs, lure them back a bit, sprint back, put weapon back, click transporter, easy.
Or just click it at the start, If everyone is fast, nobody will die.

[Sasoriza]

This is not a Troll thread. She is my wife. I have seen issues where the other people just dps the mobs and run away. (Been in a couple of dungeons with her that i see this) My opinion is most of the people are trying to run these as quick runs. Which in some cases are fine. However if you take agro from the tank you should at least have the courtesey to run back to the tank so they can gain agro and then run back to where you were. Always Dps the mob you tank is Agroing.

[Ouza]

I usually do dungeon runs with my husband and typically our guild members, so I can say "hey back off AOE's or here run closer so i can get hate off you" and we are fine.

But these past 3 weeks I took off work to do dungeon runs solo on either his char or mine, to farm for tombs so we could finish off our iL90 gear sets. so I have getting razed, trolled, or plain bullied in 4-man and 8-man dungeons.. and I've been horrified at how people will treat each other in dungeons.

I felt like quitting on friday, after yet one more DPS spending the entire dungeon telling us how horrible we were, even saying "what a horrible couple" and we kept begging them to concentrate on playing and focus less on chatting, please stop spam AOE"S, please stop agroing alternate mobs, please stop attacking other targets and running away. . .

when in 8-mans, while hubby is at work, I try to pull agro on mob members where the other tank does not have them, and I get razed for that too, how i am not there to be a tank, quit trying to get agro, or even "you cant tank here, you will never get agro off me" (seriously i wasnt trying, I was trying to be part of the team and keep everybody else alive!) or how Syrcus tower only requires one tank because the makers got that one right and now these other dungeons really only need one tank, not two.

and yes, after dying 5 or 6 times on speed runs through praeetorium where they force me to pull mobs and then run through the transporter and leave me behind, after 2 or 3 runs i have spent 20K on gear repairs. why am i always picked for mob meat? why am i always left behind? why wont the team pull as a team.

[ValkyrieL]

1) I'm confuse, you take Defiance OFF but let a Savage blade go through o.O....I'm sorry to tell u this but a warrior should NEVER have savage blade. You need Provoke, Flash (Saves TP from OP/lower dungeons, Convalescene). this are the cross-class skills from gladiator.
2) You cannot take aggro from other Main Tank, unless u have a) Defiance on, b) Spamming Butcher block combo, even than is hard to take off unless u are using DPS accessory/MT not using aggro combo. U should be rotating b/w S/E or S/P and BB
3. If you are MT on boss and trash adds spawn u NEED* to pick up trash adds (unless dps is high to burn adds quick/overgear pt). you will not loose aggro on boss as your enemity should be high by time adds spawn.
4. put that flash/provoke back on your skill bar
5. if you are OT, take defiance off/ put it back on when about to tank swap/adds spawn, if someone else tell u to put on while u OT,tell them to stfu*
6. warrior is best for AOE so u should not have issue with aggro, when u pull, let adds gather up and do 2 OP than began combo other adds, if mark target start there if not mark, look at the enmity list, and combo that one that starts to loose hp fast. rotate Enmity combo with different trash adds. (example heavy swing main trash/skull sunder, switch target and Butcher blocker another target)

[badonkadonk]

Uhm, i'm a noob warrior and i need some clarifications here...
Let me first say that i've not yet done any major 8-men content (i guess CT and ST don't count), so i'm not familiar with tank swapping and advanced things like that..
My question is about Defiance: why is it so bad to have it on when i'm OT? As long as i use only Storm's Path and Storm's Eye combo, i shouldn't pose much of a threat to the MT aggro, should i? Besides, i feel that Wrath stacks are handy, allowing me to have Steel Cyclone ready in case of need.

[Ouza]

I am confused, are you just trolling?

1) I'm confuse, you take Defiance OFF but let a Savage blade go through o.O....I'm sorry to tell u this but a warrior should NEVER have savage blade. You need Provoke, Flash (Saves TP from OP/lower dungeons, Convalescene). this are the cross-class skills from gladiator.
2) You cannot take aggro from other Main Tank, unless u have a) Defiance on, b) Spamming Butcher block combo, even than is hard to take off unless u are using DPS accessory/MT not using aggro combo. U should be rotating b/w S/E or S/P and BB
3. If you are MT on boss and trash adds spawn u NEED* to pick up trash adds (unless dps is high to burn adds quick/overgear pt). you will not loose aggro on boss as your enemity should be high by time adds spawn.
4. put that flash/provoke back on your skill bar
5. if you are OT, take defiance off/ put it back on when about to tank swap/adds spawn, if someone else tell u to put on while u OT,tell them to stfu*
6. warrior is best for AOE so u should not have issue with aggro, when u pull, let adds gather up and do 2 OP than began combo other adds, if mark target start there if not mark, look at the enmity list, and combo that one that starts to loose hp fast. rotate Enmity combo with different trash adds. (example heavy swing main trash/skull sunder, switch target and Butcher blocker another target)

1) I swapped provoke for savage blade a week before I posted this thread because I was getting laughed at for using it right before over power to agro mobs WHEN the DPS was pulling a different mob than me. (“haha thats funny, you pulled provoke, what a noob, such an idiot, worse tank ever”) I sometimes accidentally slipped and clicked on savage blade when I meant to click heavy swing or skull sunder or *other move nearby. When you dont look at your quick bar the whole time when using a mouse. SINCE starting this post and reading the first responders suggestions I reorganized my quick bar and put provoke, flash back on. (and Duur)




2) I can take agro from the MT without defiance, if they are not playing their class right. Even without spamming butcher block or over power. Just with the other combo moves available. Yes I can read and know the difference between the ones which say they get enmity or get enmity with defiance. My point when I said this originally was that I was forced to be OT when it was painfully clear the PLD or WAR was really really bad just because they were a paladin or had better gear!*




3) Not always, it is not always feasible to do this on bosses and dungeons. And I do pick up adds. Its when the DPS or healer pulls the adds or refuse to stop targeting the adds or run the other way with the adds that I cant pull agro or stop *fighting the boss to chase after the idiots who are running away from the party.*




4) like I said in a response post earlier, did that the first first response on this thread said so, its back, its been back since friday night. Why dont you read through before trolling the thread?




5) yes, got that too, I do that. My real problem is when they demand I take it off and be OT then stand there and make me take hate first so they can run through an area and leave me behind to die, alone, without their lazy butts helping. They want speed runs, I get that.. but if you want to be MT and do a speed run, sacrifice yourself, not your team.*




6) really? We barely have any AOE moves, especially without defiance.




7) DPS and OT/MT laugh at me when I target mark and still pull on other mobs or agro other mobs and run off. And I’m not quite the dufus you insinuate here. I got this part. *Figured it out. Know how to do THIS. *I know ho to cycle, know to target the weakest enemy (low agro or low life) cycle through mobs to spam hate moves, etc. I’ve been tanking for close to 5 years, and FF14 is a different beast than the 6 other MMO's i've played

I dont have a problem getting or keeping agro. I have a problem getting hate from other tanks for doing so, with or without defiance. I have a problem with DPS or healers spamming AOE's or collecting other mobs in the room and then getting angry I dont chase them and take agro off. I can handle up to three mobs at once, easy, I cant run around an entire room after them and live to tell about it. I have a problem getting hate form other players for refusing to be an idiot and pulls more than one or two mobs. I get hate for getting agro off other tanks, I get hate from wanting to be main tank when the main tank is being an idiot. I have a problem being left for dead when the other members of the 4-man or 8-man party run off without me and leave me to die and tell me I am a bad tank for not pulling the mobs with us and tanking THEIR mobs first.

I am asking if am a bad tank for not pulling stupid moves like chasing after a healer or DPS who does not target my mob/target and pulls mobs or adds upon themselves before I can run over and get agro first. And for refusing to do so when they start kiting them instead of getting closer to me so I can grab their mob without running in circles trying to keep my 1, 2, or 3 mobs aggroed while agroing mobs number 4, 5, and sometimes 6.

since following the kind advice by the first person to respond, my tanking has much improved, my efficiency has much improved, and I’ve spent a lot of time at training dummies timing things. I want to thank the not forum trolls who have taken me seriously and given me kind and straight forward advice, your comments have made all the difference and my tanking has much improved over the weekend. Thank you. I hope to party with you some day and follow your lead. To the trolls, thank you for reminding me why I avoid forums in the first place.

[Ouza]

I feel this too, and the healing buffs that come with defiance are very helpful as an OT because the MT and healers get rageful if the OT needs heals, but then demand we have 25% less HP and cant use inner beast to heal ourselves.

and if we need to tank swap in a pinch, we dont have to wait for global cool down timers to continue fighting, which is a huge pain. turning defiance on and off causes global cools downs to happen, which can be deadly if not timed perfectly!