Warrior Improvement Questions

[Ouza]

I usually do dungeon runs with my husband and typically our guild members, so I can say "hey back off AOE's or here run closer so i can get hate off you" and we are fine.

But these past 3 weeks I took off work to do dungeon runs solo on either his char or mine, to farm for tombs so we could finish off our iL90 gear sets. so I have getting razed, trolled, or plain bullied in 4-man and 8-man dungeons.. and I've been horrified at how people will treat each other in dungeons.

I felt like quitting on friday, after yet one more DPS spending the entire dungeon telling us how horrible we were, even saying "what a horrible couple" and we kept begging them to concentrate on playing and focus less on chatting, please stop spam AOE"S, please stop agroing alternate mobs, please stop attacking other targets and running away. . .

when in 8-mans, while hubby is at work, I try to pull agro on mob members where the other tank does not have them, and I get razed for that too, how i am not there to be a tank, quit trying to get agro, or even "you cant tank here, you will never get agro off me" (seriously i wasnt trying, I was trying to be part of the team and keep everybody else alive!) or how Syrcus tower only requires one tank because the makers got that one right and now these other dungeons really only need one tank, not two.

and yes, after dying 5 or 6 times on speed runs through praeetorium where they force me to pull mobs and then run through the transporter and leave me behind, after 2 or 3 runs i have spent 20K on gear repairs. why am i always picked for mob meat? why am i always left behind? why wont the team pull as a team.

[ValkyrieL]

1) I'm confuse, you take Defiance OFF but let a Savage blade go through o.O....I'm sorry to tell u this but a warrior should NEVER have savage blade. You need Provoke, Flash (Saves TP from OP/lower dungeons, Convalescene). this are the cross-class skills from gladiator.
2) You cannot take aggro from other Main Tank, unless u have a) Defiance on, b) Spamming Butcher block combo, even than is hard to take off unless u are using DPS accessory/MT not using aggro combo. U should be rotating b/w S/E or S/P and BB
3. If you are MT on boss and trash adds spawn u NEED* to pick up trash adds (unless dps is high to burn adds quick/overgear pt). you will not loose aggro on boss as your enemity should be high by time adds spawn.
4. put that flash/provoke back on your skill bar
5. if you are OT, take defiance off/ put it back on when about to tank swap/adds spawn, if someone else tell u to put on while u OT,tell them to stfu*
6. warrior is best for AOE so u should not have issue with aggro, when u pull, let adds gather up and do 2 OP than began combo other adds, if mark target start there if not mark, look at the enmity list, and combo that one that starts to loose hp fast. rotate Enmity combo with different trash adds. (example heavy swing main trash/skull sunder, switch target and Butcher blocker another target)

[badonkadonk]

Uhm, i'm a noob warrior and i need some clarifications here...
Let me first say that i've not yet done any major 8-men content (i guess CT and ST don't count), so i'm not familiar with tank swapping and advanced things like that..
My question is about Defiance: why is it so bad to have it on when i'm OT? As long as i use only Storm's Path and Storm's Eye combo, i shouldn't pose much of a threat to the MT aggro, should i? Besides, i feel that Wrath stacks are handy, allowing me to have Steel Cyclone ready in case of need.

[Ouza]

I feel this too, and the healing buffs that come with defiance are very helpful as an OT because the MT and healers get rageful if the OT needs heals, but then demand we have 25% less HP and cant use inner beast to heal ourselves.

and if we need to tank swap in a pinch, we dont have to wait for global cool down timers to continue fighting, which is a huge pain. turning defiance on and off causes global cools downs to happen, which can be deadly if not timed perfectly!

[Krindor]

Uhm, i'm a noob warrior and i need some clarifications here...
Let me first say that i've not yet done any major 8-men content (i guess CT and ST don't count), so i'm not familiar with tank swapping and advanced things like that..
My question is about Defiance: why is it so bad to have it on when i'm OT? As long as i use only Storm's Path and Storm's Eye combo, i shouldn't pose much of a threat to the MT aggro, should i? Besides, i feel that Wrath stacks are handy, allowing me to have Steel Cyclone ready in case of need.

When not tanking an OT is a DPS and the 25% damage reduction is a lot of damage lost, as you aren't tanking the damage taken should still be lower than that of a DD and therefor the extra healing received is not needed, and steel cyclone is rarely used in bosses with swap mechanics and if it really is needed we can always use Infuriate.

Ouza, Defiance isn't on the GCD it's an off GCD skill.

[Ouza]

I am confused, are you just trolling?

1) I'm confuse, you take Defiance OFF but let a Savage blade go through o.O....I'm sorry to tell u this but a warrior should NEVER have savage blade. You need Provoke, Flash (Saves TP from OP/lower dungeons, Convalescene). this are the cross-class skills from gladiator.
2) You cannot take aggro from other Main Tank, unless u have a) Defiance on, b) Spamming Butcher block combo, even than is hard to take off unless u are using DPS accessory/MT not using aggro combo. U should be rotating b/w S/E or S/P and BB
3. If you are MT on boss and trash adds spawn u NEED* to pick up trash adds (unless dps is high to burn adds quick/overgear pt). you will not loose aggro on boss as your enemity should be high by time adds spawn.
4. put that flash/provoke back on your skill bar
5. if you are OT, take defiance off/ put it back on when about to tank swap/adds spawn, if someone else tell u to put on while u OT,tell them to stfu*
6. warrior is best for AOE so u should not have issue with aggro, when u pull, let adds gather up and do 2 OP than began combo other adds, if mark target start there if not mark, look at the enmity list, and combo that one that starts to loose hp fast. rotate Enmity combo with different trash adds. (example heavy swing main trash/skull sunder, switch target and Butcher blocker another target)

1) I swapped provoke for savage blade a week before I posted this thread because I was getting laughed at for using it right before over power to agro mobs WHEN the DPS was pulling a different mob than me. (“haha thats funny, you pulled provoke, what a noob, such an idiot, worse tank ever”) I sometimes accidentally slipped and clicked on savage blade when I meant to click heavy swing or skull sunder or *other move nearby. When you dont look at your quick bar the whole time when using a mouse. SINCE starting this post and reading the first responders suggestions I reorganized my quick bar and put provoke, flash back on. (and Duur)




2) I can take agro from the MT without defiance, if they are not playing their class right. Even without spamming butcher block or over power. Just with the other combo moves available. Yes I can read and know the difference between the ones which say they get enmity or get enmity with defiance. My point when I said this originally was that I was forced to be OT when it was painfully clear the PLD or WAR was really really bad just because they were a paladin or had better gear!*




3) Not always, it is not always feasible to do this on bosses and dungeons. And I do pick up adds. Its when the DPS or healer pulls the adds or refuse to stop targeting the adds or run the other way with the adds that I cant pull agro or stop *fighting the boss to chase after the idiots who are running away from the party.*




4) like I said in a response post earlier, did that the first first response on this thread said so, its back, its been back since friday night. Why dont you read through before trolling the thread?




5) yes, got that too, I do that. My real problem is when they demand I take it off and be OT then stand there and make me take hate first so they can run through an area and leave me behind to die, alone, without their lazy butts helping. They want speed runs, I get that.. but if you want to be MT and do a speed run, sacrifice yourself, not your team.*




6) really? We barely have any AOE moves, especially without defiance.




7) DPS and OT/MT laugh at me when I target mark and still pull on other mobs or agro other mobs and run off. And I’m not quite the dufus you insinuate here. I got this part. *Figured it out. Know how to do THIS. *I know ho to cycle, know to target the weakest enemy (low agro or low life) cycle through mobs to spam hate moves, etc. I’ve been tanking for close to 5 years, and FF14 is a different beast than the 6 other MMO's i've played

I dont have a problem getting or keeping agro. I have a problem getting hate from other tanks for doing so, with or without defiance. I have a problem with DPS or healers spamming AOE's or collecting other mobs in the room and then getting angry I dont chase them and take agro off. I can handle up to three mobs at once, easy, I cant run around an entire room after them and live to tell about it. I have a problem getting hate form other players for refusing to be an idiot and pulls more than one or two mobs. I get hate for getting agro off other tanks, I get hate from wanting to be main tank when the main tank is being an idiot. I have a problem being left for dead when the other members of the 4-man or 8-man party run off without me and leave me to die and tell me I am a bad tank for not pulling the mobs with us and tanking THEIR mobs first.

I am asking if am a bad tank for not pulling stupid moves like chasing after a healer or DPS who does not target my mob/target and pulls mobs or adds upon themselves before I can run over and get agro first. And for refusing to do so when they start kiting them instead of getting closer to me so I can grab their mob without running in circles trying to keep my 1, 2, or 3 mobs aggroed while agroing mobs number 4, 5, and sometimes 6.

since following the kind advice by the first person to respond, my tanking has much improved, my efficiency has much improved, and I’ve spent a lot of time at training dummies timing things. I want to thank the not forum trolls who have taken me seriously and given me kind and straight forward advice, your comments have made all the difference and my tanking has much improved over the weekend. Thank you. I hope to party with you some day and follow your lead. To the trolls, thank you for reminding me why I avoid forums in the first place.

[Killabye]

i used to get angry in dungeons over other tanks and people, dont trip. you gotta be sure whether you want MT or OT then you also have to be geared for MT. if youre highest geared and want MT you have to take it and unless you hold it well theyll keep trying you. theres fun in playing ot to, pld puts up damage with sword oath and war you can dps decently. the other thing that makes things easier, (i dont always do this cuz idc) is doing the boring thing, f f f rb fff rb or op op op on mobs. then if youre tanking my rule is if they can provoke off me and keep without me provoking they can have it

[Paka]

Good luck.

[Killabye]

idk how other mmos are but i feel overwhelmed a lot in ff. we tried t7 and i totally looked an idiot. i wouldnt trip, tank to me seems the hardest class. dps and heals are hard in there own way but tank has to keep the party alive and be aware the whole time. you get in coil and youre switching mobs, moving bosses etc i just figure if it were the easy job i wouldnt insta queu

[Ouza]

Thanks. the advice has made all the difference. Still havnt gone back to daily duty roulettes though. I need to get one last piece of i90 gear.