Chocobo Dye Experimentation

[Aldora]

To my surprise, I got Snow White with nothing but Plums. 2 separate feedings, only 2 "feathers" messages. Has anyone else gotten the same? Do y'all think I could remove red any farther?

Result: Sylph Green

8/23


Result: Snow White

I'm clearly need more coffee to have missed this. XD Ok, so theoretically achieving Snow White really is that easy. Still want to know if more red can be removed or not. ^^

I'm testing this out as we speak Sadana. (^_^ )

[Kerberus]

I'm also experimenting to reach a Soot Black one.

Here is what i got so far:

Desert Yellow --> 10 Berries (8 New Feather Messages) --> Goobue Grey

With this i could conclude that each fruit have a main increase, and it indeed does affect the other 2 values, positively or negatively by around 50% of the main increase/decrease.

Now, going from the assumption these are the fruit values are the ones proposed:

Apple +R -G -B
Pear -R +G -B
Berries -R -G +B

Plum -R +G +B
Valfruit +R -G +B
Pineapple +R +G -B

I decided to feed him even numbers of Berries, Pears and Apples, to try to keep the color balance in the scale, while getting a darker shade of grey, so i went with:

Goobue Grey --> 2 Berries --> 2 Pears --> 2 Apples (got the new feather message exactly on the last one) --> (???)

1 and a half hour left and I'll be able to check the results. If, as predicted, the next color goes as Slate Grey, then i'm positive it's possible to get Soot Black within 2 more feedings (even one, but i wanna still go down to charcoal grey first, to make sure it's working properly).

[Kerberus]

I'm also experimenting to reach a Soot Black one.

Here is what i got so far:

Desert Yellow --> 10 Berries (8 New Feather Messages) --> Goobue Grey

Goobue Grey --> 2 Berries --> 2 Pears --> 2 Apples (got the new feather message exactly on the last one) --> (???)

Resulted in Shale Brown, which as said by our lala friend earlier is probably due to only the Apples having the "new Feather" effect.

Now proceeding to try again. trying to rebalance the RGB ratios while lowering the overal value again:

Shale Brown --> 5 Berries (4 "new feathers") --> 3 Pears ( 3 "new feathers") --> 1 Apple (1 "new feather") --> (???)

Will post the results again as soon as he's done.

[Kerberus]

Previous Results

###SOOT BLACK CHOCOBO EXPERIMENT###

Alright, I'm back to report my experiences with dyeing yesterday.

I'm pretty happy overall, and despite the original failure with the Shale Brown result, i managed to get back on track and right now, I'm almost sure I'll get to Soot Black within the next 6 hours, given i've been getting a steady pattern of results.

So, let's get to Experiments:

#1--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Original Color: Shale Brown

Feeding: 5 Berries (4 feather procs) + 3 Pears (3 feather procs) + 1 Apple (1 feather proc)

Result: Lavender Purple

Reasoning: As discussed in the previous post, i only got one feather proc in my last feeding, which caused some problems with the color balance and raised red above the other colors, instead of decreasing them evenly, and the result was SHALE BROWN. In this feeding i tried to balance back the Red Green and Blue values, and so, i used a heavier dose of berries and Pears. The result was partially successful, but now i needed to even also the green values.

#2--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Original Color: Shale Brown

Feeding: 5 Berries (4 feather procs) + 3 Pears (3 feather procs) + 1 Apple (1 feather proc)

Result: Lavender Purple

Reasoning: As discussed in the previous post, i only got one feather proc in my last feeding, which caused some problems with the color balance and raised red above the other colors, instead of decreasing them evenly, and the result was SHALE BROWN. In this feeding i tried to balance back the Red Green and Blue values, and so, i used a heavier dose of berries and Pears. The result was partially successful, but now i needed to even also the green values.

#3--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Original Color: Lavender Purple

Feeding: 3 Pears (1 feather proc)

Result: Goobue Grey

Reasoning: Going back from previous testing, I now had a slightly higher red and blue values, and so,used more pears to tip back the balance hoping to return to the grey color scheme. This time i was 100% successful, and managed to get back to the goobue grey, and so proceed with experimenting.

#4--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Original Color: Goobue Grey

Feeding: 5 Berries (5 feather procs) + 5 Pears (5 feather procs) + 5 Apples (5 feather procs)

Result: Slate Grey

Reasoning: With this experiment going forward, i tried to see if was possible to descend on the grey scale while maintaining the color balance by feeding even amounts of berries/pears/apples. As theorized, I got a slightly darker shade of grey (Slate).

#5--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Original Color: Slate Grey

Feeding: 5 Berries (5 feather procs) + 5 Pears (5 feather procs) + 5 Apples (5 feather procs)

Result: Charcoal Grey

Reasoning: I wanted to further test that a balanced feeding would keep dropping the Chocobo's shade of grey closer to Soot Black, and so i used the same amount of fruits i had in the earlier experiment. Result went 100% correct as expected, and now really close to my objective, which is Soot Black.

#6--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Original Color: Charcoal Grey

Feeding: 5 Berries (5 feather procs) + 5 Pears (5 feather procs) + 5 Apples (5 feather procs)

Result: ????? (Soot Black?)

Now with my previous experiments proving it's possible to go down evenly, and that the difference in RGB value from Charcoal Grey to Soot Black is almost the same to that of Slate Grey to Charcoal Grey and Goobue Grey to Slate Grey, I am confident that in the next 6 hours my chocobo is finally going to turn Soot Black.

I'll be posting results later, in the afternoon.

[Crankysorc]

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This is like the 6th time I've seen someone say they've gotten to white from 2 feedings and sylph green being a midpoint.

I feel like it's safe to say this should work every time and it will be the fastest way to get snow white from base.
I'll keep updating my second page on how to transition from one color to the next, preferably not using giant sums of fruits anymore.
I'll only be updating the original spreadsheet to give us a clue of what kind of fruits should be used if players wish to make a big jump.

@Kerberus:
You got the feather proc on only the last apple?
The berries and pears might not count if so.

[Kerberus]

@Kerberus:
You got the feather proc on only the last apple?
The berries and pears might not count if so.

Well, if my line of thinking is true, you only get a "new feathers" message when rounding gets closer to another color, but all fruits fed still affect the RGB values.

It also explains why sometimes results can't be reproduced, as 2 Chocobos can fall in the same color due to rounding and aproximation, but their ultimately "true" RGB Value is different, and may yeld different results in the long run.

It's just there wasn't a significant change in the RGB values to make rounding go to another color before the last apple, i think, since these 3 fruits kind of balance each other.

From experimentation, I'm sure at least berries works as follows: -- R | - G | +B


I'm not 100% sure on the other 2, but following logic, they should work as follows:
Apples: +R | --G | -B
Pears: -R | +G | --B

If this proves right feeding 2 of each like i did:
R G B
-2 -1 +1
-2 -1 +1
-1 +1 -2
-1 +1 -2
+1 -2 -1
+1 -2 -1
---------
-2 -2 -2

I should get a net result of color reduction by 2 levels, which i think is more or less the 30 i need to get to the next shade of grey.

Well, we'll see in 30 minutes XD

[Crankysorc]

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It doesn't explain why it takes some people 15 tries to get a single feathers message and others only 2 when they're feeding one type of fruit from the same starting color. The true RGB color should start out the same for everyone on the first session.
If it were a matter of 'oh, its rng if it adds/subtracts 1-10 to the value', we would be seeing a lotttttt of no feather changes after the first proc. This would be easily noticed in someone's log who fed over 20 after the first feather message.
But only seen that happen to like 2 people so far and I suspect that's because they hit a cap and need to use other fruits if they want a change.
It's possible the rng is weighted to favor making enough of a change, just seems extremely unlikely atm.
Let us know when your chocobo's done cooking :P

[Jayne422]

This is like the 6th time I've seen someone say they've gotten to white from 2 feedings and sylph green being a midpoint.

I feel like it's safe to say this should work every time and it will be the fastest way to get snow white from base. I'll keep updating my second page on how to transition from one color to the next, preferably not using giant sums of fruits anymore.

I can confirm that this will not work every time, at least not with only two feedings. I'm still experimenting though.

[Crankysorc]

I can confirm that this will not work every time, at least not with only two feedings. I'm still experimenting though.

Booo ;_;
what ended up happening?

[Jayne422]

Booo ;_;
what ended up happening?

First time I fed my bird, I fed it plums and got Sylph Green. I then fed it one apple in an attempt to take it back to Desert Yellow, which I managed. After that, I went back to plums to see where it would take me, and ended up with Snow White.

I tried to duplicate the snow white color (minus the apple from the first experiment). I feed it plums and the second time I ended up feeding it one less than the first time during the first session. During the second session, I had to feed it more plums to get the appropriate message. I ended up with Celeste Green.

If you check my original post, under the section for my personal experiments, there's a link to a google document where you can find more detailed notes on how I got what.