Good Solution To End Game Raid Issues

[Teirshin]

Because there are people who rage quit after two attempts when the going gets tough or aren't willing to put the time down to do the fights. You can't help people who do nothing to help themselves.

The way you come across, the only person you want to help is yourself, and no one else.

"These other people arent as good as me so they're inferior and an inconvenience! Lets put them in a section all by themselves!"

[Dwill]

Ah, but it goes both ways......

What good are you if you arent willing to take time to teach people how to get past those things they have trouble with?

Did no one ever take the time to teach/train you, or were you born with the ability to do everything in life without anyone helping?

No one can use your mouse and keyboard to dodge stuff for you, that's on your own and being able to dodge stuff is a something people still have problems with despite the fact that there is a huge indicator telling you to get out of it.

[Teirshin]

No one can use your mouse and keyboard to dodge stuff for you, that's on your own and being able to dodge stuff is a something people still have problems with despite the fact that there is a huge indicator telling you to get out of it.

Not everyone easily spots all the indicators or knows all the "telltale signs" of a specific event happening.

Clue them in, teach them if need be, after that, just accept that not everyone is going to be 100% all the time (not even OP, not even you or me) and make the most of what you've got.

Or come to the forums and complain and suggest we start in game segregation..... because that has a history of working soooooo well..... not.

[Dwill]

Not everyone easily spots all the indicators or knows all the "telltale signs" of a specific event happening.

Clue them in, teach them if need be, after that, just accept that not everyone is going to be 100% all the time (not even OP, not even you or me) and make the most of what you've got.

Or come to the forums and complain and suggest we start in game segregation..... because that has a history of working soooooo well..... not.

In this game, the signs are extremely obvious. If you can't spot them, you seriously lack a lot of raid awareness and honestly, that's on their end to work on.

[Sonofbaldo]

I love these threads. As players you want to level up at super speeds and hit End Game before the game even hits one year old. The sheer ease of the game promotes this behavior. Why learn when you an essentially just button mash 90% of the game. This is the game you want, this is the game you've been given, and its going to produce a majority of just button mashers. You made your bed, lay in it.

[ispano]

Ah, but it goes both ways......

What good are you if you arent willing to take time to teach people how to get past those things they have trouble with?

Did no one ever take the time to teach/train you, or were you born with the ability to do everything in life without anyone helping?

No, I was born with the ability to learn and teach myself by observing what's happening around me. Like all people have.

Next, teaching people is all well and good, but why am I teaching people in over 75% of instances I do? Things they should of learned on their own, just about their role. You cannot expect those people to have to teach everyone, over and over and over. Because that kind of does happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfxPZZ6fmNE

Oh it's been so long since i've seen that.... Go! Go! Go! Go!

[skaterger]

They will never design a system that outright tells players "You're bad". They rather keep the illusion so people keep paying (and wiping in pugs). Solution: Be smart. Many solutions have been provided in this thread and others. Use it.

[Fendred]

They will never design a system that outright tells players "You're bad". They rather keep the illusion so people keep paying (and wiping in pugs). Solution: Be smart. Many solutions have been provided in this thread and others. Use it.

They are irrelevant because the topic of the thread is about a potential development solution, and has nothing to do with whether I can or can't currently raid. Those "suggestions" you mentioned are all formed on baseless assumptions that I cannot raid, therefore I have created a constructive post as a form of complaint. That in and of itself makes little sense, given the constructive nature of the post. So again, they are irrelevant suggestions being given by people making baseless presumptions about the poster's motives instead of the contents of the post.

[skaterger]

They are irrelevant because the topic of the thread is about a potential development solution, and has nothing to do with whether I can or can't currently raid. Those "suggestions" you mentioned are all formed on baseless assumptions that I cannot raid, therefore I have created a constructive post as a form of complaint. That in and of itself makes little sense, given the constructive nature of the post. So again, they are irrelevant suggestions being given by people making baseless presumptions about the poster's motives instead of the contents of the post.

And I'm telling you that your potential development solution is not a well thought out one for reasons Teirshin and I mentioned. I don't think anyone, at least not me, have made any assumptions about you. But it seems to be you seek to champion a cause speaking on behalf of all mid-core raiders and what they want. The truth is that no system works perfectly. Not yours, not Blizzards, not SE. You can't speak for everyone. What can be mentioned though are potential solutions to improve chances of success for raiding, and one of these is to form a static, which I will again mention, is not that difficult to do. You (not you specifically, but the generic you) need to make sacrifices if you want to achieve any degree of success, and it works in real life or in game as well)

[Fyce]

The "solo test" thing won't fix anything.

The problem comes from the human social behaviour itself.
It's also known as: "The more people in a group, the more retarded the whole group is".

This is why any big Hunt group is called a "zerg" and has the intellectual quotient of an oyster.
No matter what the skill of a player on its own is.