Good Solution To End Game Raid Issues

[Teirshin]

Because there are people who rage quit after two attempts when the going gets tough or aren't willing to put the time down to do the fights. You can't help people who do nothing to help themselves.

The way you come across, the only person you want to help is yourself, and no one else.

"These other people arent as good as me so they're inferior and an inconvenience! Lets put them in a section all by themselves!"

[Teirshin]

No one can use your mouse and keyboard to dodge stuff for you, that's on your own and being able to dodge stuff is a something people still have problems with despite the fact that there is a huge indicator telling you to get out of it.

Not everyone easily spots all the indicators or knows all the "telltale signs" of a specific event happening.

Clue them in, teach them if need be, after that, just accept that not everyone is going to be 100% all the time (not even OP, not even you or me) and make the most of what you've got.

Or come to the forums and complain and suggest we start in game segregation..... because that has a history of working soooooo well..... not.

[Euphe]

Got a good laugh out of this thread. Thanks for making my day !

[Dhex]

Maat says hello!



edit: I like how that name still scares a lot of people.

[stuscott]

There is no solo test right now, but HM and EX primals are good skill tests for endgame. If you can't get past these due to dying constantly to the same mechanics and can't past it without a carry, you're not gonna do very well at the endgame raids.

When I test out new members for my raid team, I use Titan Extreme and also make DPS do Ramuh HM. Titan Extreme shows me that DPS and healers can pay attention to mechanics, dodge, and notice patterns in attacks and tests tanks for tank swapping and add pick ups. Ramuh HM allows me to check for sheer damage output and skill usage for DPS, since there is minimal movement required throughout most of the fight, except for the bard who should be able to move and DPS at the same time. Both of those are great tools for showing what someone is made of.

[RickXRolled]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfxPZZ6fmNE

[ispano]

Ah, but it goes both ways......

What good are you if you arent willing to take time to teach people how to get past those things they have trouble with?

Did no one ever take the time to teach/train you, or were you born with the ability to do everything in life without anyone helping?

No, I was born with the ability to learn and teach myself by observing what's happening around me. Like all people have.

Next, teaching people is all well and good, but why am I teaching people in over 75% of instances I do? Things they should of learned on their own, just about their role. You cannot expect those people to have to teach everyone, over and over and over. Because that kind of does happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfxPZZ6fmNE

Oh it's been so long since i've seen that.... Go! Go! Go! Go!

[Galliano]

TSW actually has a system like this. Fittingly, it's called the "gatekeeper", and has tanking, healing, and DPS versions you can do. In the healing version in particular, you have to take care of DPS NPCs that sometimes stand in AoE, raid damage, and aggro moving between the melees. In all of them you also have to dodge.

Unfortunately, I can't really say it helps with elitists. People still want you to link high end loot, have top end gear, have clear exp, etc etc.

That said, it is a wakeup call for a lot of players that get that far.

That sounds awesome! and a hell of a lot better than a training dummy.

[Renen]

I like the idea. Im a legacy player that recently returned due to life happening before. Im nearly done main questline and and about to do endgame on scholar. And id love some solo instance to learn some healing rotations and the like (that work for me) without having to make a party wipe multiple times because I am not good at end game healing.

[Dwill]

Not everyone easily spots all the indicators or knows all the "telltale signs" of a specific event happening.

Clue them in, teach them if need be, after that, just accept that not everyone is going to be 100% all the time (not even OP, not even you or me) and make the most of what you've got.

Or come to the forums and complain and suggest we start in game segregation..... because that has a history of working soooooo well..... not.

In this game, the signs are extremely obvious. If you can't spot them, you seriously lack a lot of raid awareness and honestly, that's on their end to work on.