BRD vs Caster

[Gor]

Myself i much prefer going in as Bard because of mobility and yes we can do lots of damage. However i have died many times from summoner's, which feel rather powerful in frontlines.

naw u died many times from smns because 1) your healer didn't heal you/didn't heal you enough or 2) you ran after the smn and didn't stick around your healer so you left it open season for him to merk u. all dps are squishy in this game. even a healer can take out a solo brd. i can't see a brd out-dpsing a smn tho simply because of the pet+rouse+Fester+Enkindle+ROFL combo. you have to remember, a smn can heal himself, you can't. so don't put yourself in a bad situation.

[Maero]

naw u died many times from smns because 1) your healer didn't heal you/didn't heal you enough or 2) you ran after the smn and didn't stick around your healer so you left it open season for him to merk u. all dps are squishy in this game. even a healer can take out a solo brd. i can't see a brd out-dpsing a smn tho simply because of the pet+rouse+Fester+Enkindle+ROFL combo. you have to remember, a smn can heal himself, you can't. so don't put yourself in a bad situation.

Well that has been a problem going in with random people, adder just has not been organized, like all over the place and yeah more then likely it was because of a whm healing them as well perhaps.
As far as melee trump in pvp, maybe so but all the instances i have done against monk or drg say otherwise, only time i truly do loose is if someone from their team would stun lock me. That or perhaps they did not know their class, who knows. I just go in as what i prefer for pvp and that's that. I do have blm, smn and drg i can try as well

[Tonkra]

naw u died many times from smns because 1) your healer didn't heal you/didn't heal you enough or 2) you ran after the smn and didn't stick around your healer so you left it open season for him to merk u. all dps are squishy in this game. even a healer can take out a solo brd. i can't see a brd out-dpsing a smn tho simply because of the pet+rouse+Fester+Enkindle+ROFL combo. you have to remember, a smn can heal himself, you can't. so don't put yourself in a bad situation.

a smn cant heal (with his sucky physic) while you are shooting at him.. b he just makes some decent damage, if you have eaten all dots before.

[RinL]

Why not just remove full interrupts on damage entirely?

I just reached 50 (my first, WHM), and I am incredibly dissapointed with how PvP handles for casters. I understand we have abilities like Swiftcast, and equanimity. That is not enough though. If any single physical damage dealer decides to jump on a WHM they win. Period.

This is the first game mechanic that I feel the Dev team went full retard on. This blows my mind, considering Yoshi. P was a big PvPer.

Why did we not just use the usual pushback mechanic? Take damage, pushes back your cast time making the spell last longer. Can still interrupt, just have to use stuns/skills that shut someone down.

Thoughts?

[Rydia13]

I find Bards rather annoying. Their damage isn't reduced enough to warrant them being able to spam damage 100% of the time. Casters get interrupted, melee need to be in range, Brds have no restrictions. Just slightly lower damage. I'd trade lower damage on magic spells if I get hit while casting with being interrupted by bards. SMN is strong but it has no burst damage until all its buffs are up and also it's been gimped enough by SE. I want Miasma's(1 not 2) weight effect back

Someone mentioned that Melee trumps Brds.... Well melee will trump anything they get their hands on assuming they don't become immobilized. If ignored, casters are the most dangerous, but with even one person on us, we have very limited options lol. Melee have several abilities/items to recover TP while Sprinting so they can get around the range issue.

Brds can spam til they're blue in the face. Casters can be messed with by anyone with a brain. Run of of spell range, interrupt them. Be in AoE to build Sleep/Bind resistance quickly. I like more Equanimity-like buffs, there is no need to nerf anyone really.

It's ok though, we can still do wicked damage when nobody Os targeting us. /eyeroll

[Tonkra]

I find Bards rather annoying. Their damage isn't reduced enough to warrant them being able to spam damage 100% of the time. Casters get interrupted, melee need to be in range, Brds have no restrictions. Just slightly lower damage. I'd trade lower damage on magic spells if I get hit while casting with being interrupted by bards. SMN is strong but it has no burst damage until all its buffs are up and also it's been gimped enough by SE. I want Miasma's(1 not 2) weight effect back

I also play SMN i would say you way better have a chance against brd, because you have at least instant dot, ruinra and your pet.. BLM is f*** up in most situations... because ALL of your spells, except the weak scathe require that you stand still + have a cast time + are 100% ruptable easily. so you are really slow ..the chances of being interrupt are 100% if a bard or melee is on you.

im okay with melees, because they have to get close enough to you, and run after you..i have the chance to snare them. as blm you are mostly f*** up against every class in 1vs1... if you dont have your pvp skill rdy (most of the time). i stick to my opinion concerning bard personally..

because he just has to shoot at me with regular attacks in order to make 80% of my skills useless. spam spam, rupt, rupt.


Especially in Wolves Den it can become a nightmare, if 1 or 2 persons are focussing you. you cant do nothing but running... and from time to time try to sleep them with swift cast... a brd isnt impressed by that, he can shoot and run..

[FoxNoir]

When I do frontlines on bard I tend to have more trouble with summoners and healers 1v1. I would have to say my success is much better against black mages though. On melee, kind of depends where our respective cool downs are.

Don't forget that bards have a pretty useless limit break for pvp.

[Rydia13]

I agree. Instead of getting interrupted after getting hit, it should slow your cast or reduce the damage of that spell. As BLM, I HATE Brds on me lol as SMN though, Brds are cake. Swiftcast Bio2, Bio, Egi, then drop Virus on em, with Misty Veil to reduce their range, and basically spam Energy Drain for Damage+Heals, Ruin2 and just draw it out lol

While yes melee do need to be up close to do damage, Shoulder Tackle and Jump really do help alleviate that issue. Ever since update I find it increasingly difficult to best melee if I get caught off guard. They are on you too soon with those abilities for you to make any proper distance to safely DPS, and now their damage is nuts lol.

While we're on the subject, it really sucks that SMN is the only job without any personal defensive buff, excluding Titan lol. It'd be nice to have an ability that directs all attacks aimed at the SMN onto Titan or something similar for say 10 seconds? I'm down for that.

[Sessurea]

Bards are noob friendly, casters aren't.

[ExKage]

I'm trying to ask since apparently people know how to play casters/BLM better than I do in Wolves' Den / Frontlines.

But how is a BLM supposed to not get wrecked by a bard / melee dps?