DRG not using heavy thrust? MNK not positionning

[OdinEon]

If a drg is not pulling HT every 6to7 hits, he's not doing his job correctly. Its the same as a tank not using flash, or a healer not using protect on the group. Buff is a buff!

[Fire-Brand]

Just going to play devil's advocate here.

I will, when I see the opportunity and the chance to use positional moves like snap punch doing 180 POT from the flank properly, but considering some of the instances I love depend on the CR DPS already being positioned so he doesn't screw the entire or at least half the party with AOE drops, dive bombs, water bombs, weight of the land, tactics that NEED you not to do a positional hit.

I do love my class, as I main MNK, and honestly love the crap out of it, but when what I mostly do limits a bit of what I CAN do, it becomes a tiny bit of a bad habit.

It's the same in PVP as well, if you're fighting a good team in Cartineau Plateau, the other DPS will be rotating and running like mad men (Bards mostly) when a monk is up to try and beat you down, and if they're smarter, rotating to face us doing so to screw up our positional attacks. Just... half the time don't get the chance to take advantage of positional attacks.

[RubenSnizzle]

Just now, had 2 dps, 1 monk and 1 DRG, both ilvl90 average w/ relic wpn, in haukke hard, and we couldn't get past the twins succubus. Idk how people do to play their class so bad, but sometimes i wish i could just leave a dungeon without penalty cause some people are just so bad.

[Sawamura]

Lot of melee dps is very close mind.
They don´t dodge.
They don´t read and wonder where is HT/Chaos trust combo buff come from.
They don´t listen to you.
They will not think how they die. they blame healer/lag instead.
They blame not ilvl110 yet

So if you see a drg/mnk can position and dodge make sure you send friendlist/commendations to him/her. Cause is rare to see a good drg/mnk.

[Aaramis]

If a drg is not pulling HT every 6to7 hits, he's not doing his job correctly. Its the same as a tank not using flash, or a healer not using protect on the group. Buff is a buff!

This ^^

As a DRG, I can't imagine *not* having HT. Why wouldn't you?! "Hey, here's a single move you can use at any point so long as you're in a target's flank, that'll boost your damage by 15%!"...."No thanks!". wtf?

Every fight should start with this skill, and be refreshed as it's about to drop. It's not that hard. DRG only have *TWO* positional attacks - every other skill, including those chaining off the positionals, do NOT require positions. It's pretty damn easy to flank a mob, hit Heavy thrust, then quickly run 2 feet to the enemy's rear to start your ID chain, then after ID is off you can easily move wherever you like.

[Ashkendor]

I've had DRG at 50 for awhile and just got MNK to 50, but I main PLD. It's kind of weird to hear that simply reading and following the tooltips on the skills makes me better at the melee dps classes than some people that main them. To clarify, I'm not referring to the people that know the skills and are just in lazymode so much as I am the people that don't even know what their skills do. I don't understand the unwillingness to read and learn how your skills work.

The only time I don't really go for positional bonuses is when the mobs are going to die too fast to make it worth it (some trash mobs in SV HM, for example, are super squishy), the tank keeps moving them (I'm seeing a rash of tanks lately that think you can run around the mob to dodge autoattacks...), or there's an aoe or other attack (cleaves, etc) preventing me from doing so. The way I see it, why pass up free damage if you don't absolutely have to? Personally, I find the repositioning kind of refreshing after how static Paladin tends to be.

[chidarake]

I levelled drg a little while ago just to level it, I really enjoyed the class and although I know I need a lot more practice at the class to be considered good.

I never really found it hard to pick up the buff on initial pull from tank, and usually the enemy would die as the buff wears off so as I position for the next one I would automatically re-apply the buff regardless of how much time was left unless of course I was mid combo.

that being said there is certain times that its not necessary to pick it up as the enemies will die within seconds on aoe spam or just sheer focused attack from the group.

[dday3six]

Just to throw it out there. As a Monk while corresponding positions are important, there are times when you can't hit flank or side and it's more important to keep the rotation going to maintain Greased Lightning stacks. Also note that not every player stays up on current changes. Once upon a time the Flank only Monk rotation was generally considered acceptable.

[erkhardt]

I'm a little late to this party but.....

I have a MNK main and I do actively switch positions where applicable. In my FC, I regularly party with a DRG that is SO SO good, and together mobs just fall at our feet. On trash, I will mainly utilize a Flank only positioning using DK with him there, he is using his AoE's, and I pop Internal Release at 3 stacks of GL then spam the hell outta Rockbreaker. TP gets low pop Invigorate. Mobs don't even know what hit them.

[dragonflie]

It's sad when they don't do their proper rotation. I know that I once ran with a monk that didn't move, my solution that to turn the mob itself to have it's rear facing the monk.
It's not ideal, but at least now they can kill it slightly faster...