DRG not using heavy thrust? MNK not positionning

[Mysi]

Hello everyone,

I play PLD and WHM main but I leveled all jobs in order to know what dps are requiring from tank apart the obvious get and keep agro. And so I try to not move mobs a lot to let DRG and MNK position easily and stay up in their rotation.

But nowadays, I see more and more DRG not using heavy thrust and MNK not moving at all (even some striking from front of mobs). I know all content is easy and all and you will succeed whatever you doing in dungeon or trials apart coil. When I ask why they not using / positioning, I get the following answers :

- I know how to play my class better than you stupid tank (majority)
- I dont find it that great
- I'm lazy

Now why people play dps classes if it's not to pull out big numbers ? and even if content is easy, gaining some time and going smoothly in a fight is more fun than struggling with the healer to keep tank alive cause fight is uber long.

So please read some guide and have some honor about being an efficient dps !

[Ignnis]

Playing as DPS can be stressful at times. Mobs don't die fast dps's fault, adds bum rushing healer dps's fault, oh Jesus I've ran out festers on the add phase of TT HM and we often get blamed for pulling even if it's the tank being useless and doesn't know what flash is (I pulled using bane once ><).

But I do agree as I'm playing healer now that it's equally stressful and I've played tank too on an alt to 30 and that's also stressful.

But unfortunately theres nothing we can do about stupid people.

[Puwarh]

You played a tank, right?
Some times people did suck and single minded on what they did. I sometime plays as SCH and partied with SMN that take out Titan out of the blue when I ask why, he told me he felt like using titian, That's all!! We survived the dungeon at least, so I kept my ranting. Don't waste your head with those who tried to troll you around it's not worth!

As DRG I sometimes not start with HT if I did judge that the target will die too fast that buff your damage 15% don't worth it. May be this will be the reason for monk who did not want to position too. Positioning is a frustrating method especially when the target do not stand still, so, if it gonna die real fast, it may not even need to position just stab or punch is good enough

[ChaozK]

In short, people are bad.

The most common reasons i have found are:
- They are very casual and didnt bother to read their tooltips properly/think its not worth it
- Melee is not their main class and they dont know how to play one (used to playing heal/tank/ranged dps only)
- Bad experience with early lvl tanks who spin the mobs, so gave up with positioning altogether in dungeons
- Just lazy

[Naryoril]

well, my main class is monk, and whenever i tank and see a monk not moving at all i ask why.
so far i always got the same response:

...

Sometimes they started positioning after that, but most of the time they didn't

[Xenciao]

Depends on the fight,but yes,you are correct,Heavy thrust would be a nessecity in long(er) fights,I personally only used it whenever applicable (ex. there isn't AoE spam from the boss in flank areas,etc) But I'll try to use it more often! (I use all my combos,DoTs,etc just fine except this one skill,untill you pointed it out! ) Time to do some research on rotations,etc xD

(to clarify,initially I thought the 15% dmg boost was only for the specified move for 1 attack,suffice to say that I feel stupid now...)

Thanks for bringing this issue up!

[ruskie]

Hmm only now leveling MNK but basically I stopped caring for positioning on trash mobs because more often than not they will get rotated. Other than that if I can I will use positioning.

[Bixby]

- I'm lazy

Yup. If you catch me not caring about flank/rear, it's because I've given up for the moment. Usually only lasts for half a dungeon (and never bosses), but it depends on how drained I am by the time I get into that dungeon. Which often depends on how frustrating the party in the last instance was.

Going full tilt 24/7 is exhausting, and easy/farm content is one of the ways I wind down.

Now why people play dps classes if it's not to pull out big numbers ?

Because...

- I'm lazy

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

I'm still learning the mad melee might. But I note the times where I don't use / refresh a positional move is when the boss is moving, turning to hit one person and then going back, and when there's a ground DoT where I would like to stand.

I think there's a lot of new players coming up the ranks and like others have said, may not have read or interpreted the tool tips to deem positional requirements to be useful.

[Lollie]

Well 2 situations
Dps in question has not read and comprehended the tool tips (happens a lot apparently)
Due to mob movement the dmg gain of landing the positional is less than a retry if the move misses the proper side. Is moved, mainly trash fights. On drg I stun something to make sure it will not move during positionals, but that is not always an option if there is a specific move that needs to be stopped or both stuns are down.