The Discrimination Factor of Solo/party to Casual/Hardcore respectively.

[Masaiyan]

Hello FFXIV players,

-The concept
After reading through countless post on the forums about how solo play and content is great for the casual player and how partying up and playing with your friends is generally for hardcore players who have more time to spend, I find myself confused to the concept. I have played countless MMOS and argumentatively speaking I think it is absurd to say that party play/ hardcore content is and should be reserved for people with a lot of time to play the game. Although there is some truth to this as in FFXI you were generally in a party for at least 2hours, since it could be time consuming to find and create one, but that is where FFXIV should be different as it can incorporate new ideas. So hear me out!

---The Understanding
A prime example of this which many of you will crucify me for bringing this up is: World of warcraft's dungeon finder system. For any of you who have played WOW you would know that the dungeon system is a great way for even casual players to find other people to join up with and play with for a casual or hardcore amount of time.
How it works is that you open up the dungeon finder menu and you queue up and within seconds or a few minutes, you’re automatically partied up and teleported to a dungeon with you’re randomly found party members.
This concept in no way can be disqualified as casual or hardcore play. It's both one and the second at the same time. I believe the statement of a casual player and a hardcore player should not be THE METHOD in which they play BUT the time in which they have to play.
The methods should be the same, but the repetitions of such method would be based on the time you have.

---Conclusion
I bring all this up because, I am hoping maybe a Dev will read this and be inspired by it, and secondly I think it is a bad direction to separate the game into two (Solo and Hardcore player content). Rather the game should be morphed on accessibility for both to play and enjoy the same content, and the only separating factor should be the time you’re willing to spend on such things.

Note: In no way am I saying that Final Fantasy XIV should be more like WOW or any other game. I play FFxiv because it is unique. I am merely trying to bring up a valid point that I believe many of the Devs and people of the MMO communities are misunderstanding. After all there are two types of definitions. Concrete and abstract, and in no way can this be defined as a concrete thing, thus the definition is for interpretation.

[DoctorMog]

TLDR:

"I am a casual, I should be able to get to, and kill the final boss just like the hardcore players. Only repetition should determine the gearing of players. WoW does a good job with this, all players can group up on a whim and do dungeons without having to do any work."

Yeah, I'm a little snide, but its because I put a lot of work into my character. Time = reward in MMOs.

I don't agree that ANYONE should be able to do ALL content.

[Alym]

TLDR:

"I am a casual, I should be able to get to, and kill the final boss just like the hardcore players. Only repetition should determine the gearing of players. WoW does a good job with this, all players can group up on a whim and do dungeons without having to do any work."

Yeah, I'm a little snide, but its because I put a lot of work into my character. Time = reward in MMOs.

I don't agree that ANYONE should be able to do ALL content.

TLDR:
How dare someone who can play just as good if not better than me do what I get to do! I mean, yeah they're REALLY good and they pay just as much as I do to play the game, but I play ALL DAY EVERY DAY and they don't!! I DESERVE MORE!!

I have never posted here before, but could not believe this and had to post. This is absolutely insane and completely self-absorbed behavior. You have to be better than that, Doctor Mog. No one is really that bitter, right?

Of course more time means you get there faster, but that's all it should mean. Just because someone can't spend 10 hours a day on FFXIV doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to enjoy all it has to offer in their own time. They do pay just as much to play the game as you do. Also, you bought the game which includes all the content: why shouldn't you be able to enjoy all of it in your own time? Don't sell yourself short - you clearly have plenty of time to waste in an effort to feel better about yourself on the internet.

And, in reality, the OP is just being really long winded about wanting an easier way to find a group. Having time to find a group does not make you hardcore. Not having time to find a group does not make you casual. If the good content is made for groups only, the people that do not have the time to find a group are not getting what they paid for.

[Cidolphus]

TLDR:
How dare someone who can play just as good if not better than me do what I get to do! I mean, yeah they're REALLY good and they pay just as much as I do to play the game, but I play ALL DAY EVERY DAY and they don't!! I DESERVE MORE!!

I have never posted here before, but could not believe this and had to post. This is absolutely insane and completely self-absorbed behavior. You have to be better than that, Doctor Mog. No one is really that bitter, right?

Of course more time means you get there faster, but that's all it should mean. Just because someone can't spend 10 hours a day on FFXIV doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to enjoy all it has to offer in their own time. They do pay just as much to play the game as you do. Also, you bought the game which includes all the content: why shouldn't you be able to enjoy all of it in your own time? Don't sell yourself short - you clearly have plenty of time to waste in an effort to feel better about yourself on the internet.

And, in reality, the OP is just being really long winded about wanting an easier way to find a group. Having time to find a group does not make you hardcore. Not having time to find a group does not make you casual. If the good content is made for groups only, the people that do not have the time to find a group are not getting what they paid for.

B---- Slap!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ventus]

TLDR:

"I am a casual, I should be able to get to, and kill the final boss just like the hardcore players. Only repetition should determine the gearing of players. WoW does a good job with this, all players can group up on a whim and do dungeons without having to do any work."

Yeah, I'm a little snide, but its because I put a lot of work into my character. Time = reward in MMOs.

I don't agree that ANYONE should be able to do ALL content.

The fact that even 4 people liked this comment proves how elitist and snobbish the average forum goers are in this community

[MeowyWowie]

The fact that even 4 people liked this comment proves how elitist and snobbish the average forum goers are in this community

I didn't "like" the OP but not because I don't want to see a dungeon finder implemented. It's just something that I will likely never use and doesn't interest me.

However, I do believe that all players, casual, hardcore, mediocore, whatever, should have access to all of the content a game has. Just because a casual player can access the same content as you does not mean that they will progress as fast as you would if you were a hardcore player. I don't see why a casual player doing the same content as a hardcore player would offend anyone, it's not you playing so who cares.

Overall, I personally don't care if they add a dungeon finder or not. But for the sake of keeping casual players open to all content, I don't see it being a bad idea. Although if they do implement it, I just hope they don't go cross-server dungeon finder. The reason being, it's better to play within your own community. It's much more fun to play with people that you know you will see around the game world day in and day out, rather than someone you may meet only once and never speak to them again. It helps build a sense of community and forge friendships, something the game is terribly lacking.

Dungeon finder is a good idea for casuals, though it will not affect me at all if they decide to add it or not.

[Cendres]

The fact that even 4 people liked this comment proves how elitist and snobbish the average forum goers are in this community

Hear hear, I've taken my forum rss feed off my rockmelt sidebar. That's how unimpressed I am with what's left of our community.

I totally agree with the OP, grouping up should flow and the search function shouldn't confuse us at first glance. The more people you have participating in all kinds of events the more vitality you add to your game. The elitist attitude I've seen gain momentum lately has been very disheartening.

[Noir]

The fact that even 4 people liked this comment proves how elitist and snobbish the average forum goers are in this community

Yes, people are jealous. If you work hard and play well, you should be able to do everything in a game. That was what sold me to ffxiv. Because to be like every other MMO which only big clans monopolize stuff, and areas, farming for rmt, I wouldn't have given my money to it. Guess what, because of whiners like those mentiOned above, we are going towards that path. Sad SE.

[Masaiyan]

Because to be like every other MMO which only big clans monopolize stuff, and areas, farming for rmt, I wouldn't have given my money to it. Guess what, because of whiners like those mentiOned above, we are going towards that path. Sad SE.

Survival of the fittest. Right now FFXIV is surviving on Hope. If they want a good game, they'll have to get with the times and implement either COMPLETELY NEW systems that work(which the current one does not) or copy and re-master all ready existing ones( Like they could've done).

Honestly FFXI seek party invite yada yada system worked, but I'm sure I can find an old ass 1990 car that works okay too. But I much rather have a new 2011 honda which runs much smoother and has good mileage.

Sorry for the car analogy, just having some fun.
My point is not to bash FFXI party system or the current FFXIV party system, but I'm trying to say FFXIV needs to get with the times and implement a modern more powerful system. The game can handle it and I'm sure modern day server technology can. 2011.

Excuse my boldness

[Capita]

Yeah, I'm a little snide, but its because I put a lot of work into my character. Time = reward in MMOs.

I don't agree that ANYONE should be able to do ALL content.

I said it before and I'll say it again.

Time != Skill.

Skill should be rewarded, not time. I don't care if you play 24/7. If you have your head in your ass, I'll pick the guy who plays only 4 hours a day and 3 days a week, but plays very well.

I don't agree with the dungeon finder, but there definitely needs to be a mechanism that makes it easier to find groups for casual players.

And yes, everyone who has the skill should be able to reach all the content they want, regardless of the amount of time they spend on the game. If a player is skilled enough, I see no reason they shouldn't be able to access endgame just because some basement dweller plays more.

You also say you're a clicker. You being prejudiced against casuals in this game when you'd be laughed off any other competitive game just for the simple fact that you're a clicker is pretty ironic. No wonder you prefer "time = reward" instead of "skill = reward".