what am i doing wrong?

[Dioptase]

During primal ex fights that involve tank swaps I'm doing something wrong. Picking up initial aggro is fine shield lob into halone combo, then just spam halone combo until tank swap. The other tank grabs the boss at the appropriate time, then when its time for me to tank the boss is where I'll lose it dps will grab aggro off me, healers take aggro of me. So for the transition I will have a charged halone then provoke when its time and use the halone even with fight or flight upthis still happens. I do understand the mechanics of provoke.

just to go back over provoke mechanics as I know them as when you use provoke it puts you at the top of the aggro table +1. That's the simplest explanation I have for provoke. Also to make sure I'll say shield oath is up. For specific scenarios I'll go over what I do for each primal (I don't tank coil cuz of this stuff) for garuda if I'm ot when chirada spawns that's easy to pick up, however when I need to grab suparna + spiny I'll lob spiny and provke lob suparna
This doesn't always work so not sure what I'm doing wrong. During titan I'll voke after landslide and that works well or voke after pushback when its safe again titan isn't a problem cuz when I voke him back everyone is running away or breaking a gaol so dps has pretty much stopped and healers aren't using big heals cuz of low damage. Ifrit is the same as titan not having a problem with this fight as the dos and healers have to move around alot while tanks are swapping. Leviathan I'm picking up/ stun adds again not difficult cuz flash + circle of scorn picks up small adds and stun lock the caster I don't really have to "tank", then the spumes you just flash and pull them away pop a cd and live through the damage. Moggle mog again all tanks are doing in this fight are bouncing the king back and forth while moving away from moogles to avoid buffing them. Which bring me to Ramuh, tank swap is easy orbs drop eat 3 get buff voke halone and then fail. Again when I voke then shield lob or halone(charged or not) dps pulls the boss off me.

So hope some one can help me with this I'm totally lost.

[BazFamrit]

Do you leave shield oath on full time or do you swap to sword oath when off tanking? A common mistake is forgetting to put shield oath back on before taking hate back.

[baopee]

provoke only puts you on top of aggro table +1, if you generate less aggro than dps or healers who is 2nd on the aggro table on the following attack you will lose the aggro. Therefore; once you provoke then shield lob, you have to make sure to follow up with aggro generate combo as soon as possible to secure the aggro.

[Rbstr]

It doesn't make much sense to lose hate to healers/dps after provoking it off a tank. That basically means the tank had nearly no aggro lead when your provoked it and if you hadn't provoked that tank would have lost aggro to the healer/dps themselves.

If you provoke and have a comboed halone ready to hit it right after I don't see how you'd lose hate to anything but the other tank hitting it with their own combo right after or something similar.

[Anubis_Nephthys]

While i agree that the other tank in this scenario should have solid aggro (so this SHOULDN'T ever happen), you can make up for another tank.
Perhaps the long animation/time to go off on RoH is the problem. In a tank swap scenario, it should always be on a tank once the fight has gotten underway.
Here's some tips that PLDs can use for snap aggro. (These are mostly useful for snap aggro on unclaimed/new mobs, but they still help.)
1.) Que up a Savage Blade instead of a RoH. Savage Blade goes off significantly faster than RoH. This way you get snap aggro very quickly, and you have a big daddy RoH right after.
2.) Use weave-ins on tank swaps. Spirits Within and CoS are my friends
3.) Perhaps even use Fight or Flight if you have to.
I hope you hadn't heard/thought of at least something here! Happy Tanking!

[FriendlyUncle]

While i agree that the other tank in this scenario should have solid aggro (so this SHOULDN'T ever happen), you can make up for another tank.
Perhaps the long animation/time to go off on RoH is the problem. In a tank swap scenario, it should always be on a tank once the fight has gotten underway.
Here's some tips that PLDs can use for snap aggro. (These are mostly useful for snap aggro on unclaimed/new mobs, but they still help.)
1.) Que up a Savage Blade instead of a RoH. Savage Blade goes off significantly faster than RoH. This way you get snap aggro very quickly, and you have a big daddy RoH right after.
2.) Use weave-ins on tank swaps. Spirits Within and CoS are my friends
3.) Perhaps even use Fight or Flight if you have to.
I hope you hadn't heard/thought of at least something here! Happy Tanking!

What he said. RoH can be good but if you have some ball crushing DPS, Savage Blade will do well enough. I tend to do what he suggests, I will prep my combo up. On something like Garuda if I am OT I will usually just start using only Fast Blade > Savage until she spawns Chir and Sup. Sort of a lottery there but it can work, hit her with your prepped combo into CoS or SW while running off and can Shield Lob for good measure.

Beyond that first phase, again. Do as he would say. :P The spawns are predictable, you know shes gonna summon right after spiny. Pop Fight or Flight, SL my target, followed up with a CoS or SW while moving away in position.

[BazFamrit]

As far as garuda is concerned. Never take both sup and spiny. That fight is all about managing your hate level. Spiny will always target whoever is second in hate which should be you if you're off tanking(sword oath and no defiance may put you under a healer or dps so watch your hate and manage it carefully).

If you do that properly you'll always have the spiny first and both tanks can provoke off each other at the same time. If all you do is shield lob the spiny it will not come to you because whoever it's on has a huge hate lead from the start. If it's on a healer just leave it there so main tank can grab it when it's time. If main tank somehow gets stuck with it, which does happen, just voke the spiny. Once chirada is down there's no more double ww so you don't really need to take sup. Spiny Will cause a wipe so it's the number one priority. Just make sure to communicate so everyone is on the same page.

[MythToken]

This is clearly the other tanks fault, for not aggressively putting aggro buffer between him and the dps.

The only thing you can do to counteract this, is when you start as the tank do nothing but highest Threat rotation, so that you can put as big of a hate buffer between you and the rest of the party.


To be even more clear, by "do nothing but the highest threat rotation" that doesn't mean 1 time, that means until the other tank provokes you should only be doing your highest threat rotation.


side note what weapon are you using?

[Hybris-Maenad]

Sounds like both tanks aren't raising enough enmity. How's your Weapon level compared to the rest of the party?

Try saving FoF for the swap and as the above poster mentioned, que up savage blade to get an attack out faster.

If you're safely taking big hits, try using STR accessories to help keep raising the aggro table through out the fight.

[Dioptase]

I'm currently 2 books away from animus, and have almost all weathered gear except the crown which I'm getting today. I would like to say thanks fr the input I hadn't even considered that the initial tank wasn't building enough aggro during Ramuh. What should have prolly happened then is the lower geared tank take him second so the first tank could build higher threat. I appreciate the help from everyone here gave me some stuff to consider doing differently