Thread: Questionable decisions on patch 2.35

Originally Posted by AxelDH

Hunting:
I'm not sure if making B ranks effectively worthless (for most of the week) was the best fix. Now we have 17 fewer targets to hunt for, but just as many people looking, making the rush of people going after every A rank even worse.

I'm not sure this is true... Previously, joining a Hunt LS and hunting Marks of all levels was the only practical way to get Allied Notes in a reasonable amount of time. Now, with the boosts to Daily and Weekly Marks, a player can earn enough AN to pick up a Sands of Time every three weeks, which is pretty reasonable. Sure, you can still get Sands faster through hardcore A and S hunting, but players who wish to avoid the stress and drama now have an option available to them. I'm certain many will take that option.

Originally Posted by LineageRazor

I'm not sure this is true... Previously, joining a Hunt LS and hunting Marks of all levels was the only practical way to get Allied Notes in a reasonable amount of time. Now, with the boosts to Daily and Weekly Marks, a player can earn enough AN to pick up a Sands of Time every three weeks, which is pretty reasonable. Sure, you can still get Sands faster through hardcore A and S hunting, but players who wish to avoid the stress and drama now have an option available to them. I'm certain many will take that option.

This 100% about hunts. I my self hated doing hunts since ppl were rude and mean 2 id be in a full party but id still miss out on kills everyone come here fast it's up loading screen omg hurry someone pulled almost there awwwwww dead :P yea no ty doing at my own time is much more fun

It's crazy how many people are at A's now that they have taken away the incentive to do b's. I was always one who would tele to a B because everyone else was always like "bleh it's B rank it'll be dead before I get there" sometimes they were right but most times you were able to get full credit and it was incredible quick/easy seals.

After looking at the full effect and thinking about it, the changes are all mostly positive.

Crafted ilvl90 gear is actually sought after now for spiritbonding, since you can easily do so; I can spiritbond a full set in less than 4 combined expert roulette/ST runs, versus 9 ST runs or 20+ expert dungeons before. Once people complaining about materia start to realize that, artisan crafters will be everyone's BFFs.

Everyone will have a chance at a reward they can use from the primals, not just the crafters. If you really want the items to desynth, get a group to farm them, preferably with a crafter that has leveled desynth skills other than your own. Doing a PUG and relying on other people not to care isn't going to net you much anyway.

You can get allied seals without running between zones and having multiple hunt ls's. It took me a little over an hour to finish off a leftover daily and then the new daily bills yesterday, most of that time was waiting in duty queue or fixing/eating dinner (waiting on FATEs)

I agree with you completely OP. I can understand why they dinged SB in dungeons, but what in the world was in hurting in the overworld? Dedicated groups at Urth's Fount did nothing but spiritbond which didn't mess with anyone else's experience. Not to mention that and the i70+ SB change to make materia even MORE expensive for new crafters and Novus hunters, smh.

It feels like SE opened the floodgates with RAF and all this new player fanfare to draw people in with a relatively easy catch up experience that would prepare them for 2.4 and 2.5, only to completely remove that and make it harder for them to catch up than it was for us originally to get where we are. I was able to get two of my friends to start playing, one of them from a certain other game where playing lifeless non-community content was the thing to do. Now I fear he may go back.

This was a very bad patch, almost bait and switch-like for new players. I hope things either revert or improve in time.

Originally Posted by Miakisaki

I agree with you completely OP. I can understand why they dinged SB in dungeons, but what in the world was in hurting in the overworld? Dedicated groups at Urth's Fount did nothing but spiritbond which didn't mess with anyone else's experience. Not to mention that and the i70+ SB change to make materia even MORE expensive for new crafters and Novus hunters, smh.

Tier IV conversion rates for i45 to i55 crafted gear havn't changed. Materia prices spiked because most players have yet to comprehend the new spiritbonding rules. Mass testing needs to be done to learn the conversion rates for i70 and i90 gear. Going by our current testing without the conversion rate change Tier IV materia prices would have crashed making Tier III materia the most expensive.

This was a very bad patch, almost bait and switch-like for new players. I hope things either revert or improve in time.

It is only day 2 of the patch so calling it a bad patch before things have settled down is presumptive.

Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Tier IV conversion rates for i45 to i55 crafted gear havn't changed. Materia prices spiked because most players have yet to comprehend the new spiritbonding rules.

I'm not quite sure I follow. How would tier IV materia prices crash when supply is heavily reduced and demand continues to steadily rise? Further, how would tier III materia become the most expensive when supply for it would increase based on i70-90 now converting more often into it? If people aren't converting i70+ into IV regularly anymore, the supply will bottom out making IV materia that much more expensive. This will turn a "Perfect" Novus where Savage Aim/Might IVs are completed on it into something you only have if you are ridiculously rich or acquire gil through other malicious means.

As for it being only the second day, it doesn't take much to see how anti-friendly the changes are to people playing catch-up with crafting and relics.

Originally Posted by Miakisaki

I'm not quite sure I follow. How would tier IV materia prices crash when supply is heavily reduced and demand continues to steadily rise? Further, how would tier III materia become the most expensive when supply for it would increase based on i70-90 now converting more often into it? If people aren't converting i70+ into IV regularly anymore, the supply will bottom out making IV materia that much more expensive. This will turn a "Perfect" Novus where Savage Aim/Might IVs are completed on it into something you only have if you are ridiculously rich or acquire gil through other malicious means.

The majority of Tier IV materia are from i45 to i49 gear and almost all Tier IV crafting and gathering materia come from i45 to i55 gear. The conversion % on those has not changed and the speed of binding them has increased significantly, meaning a potential increase in supply. i70 and i90 items were a much less common source of Tier IV materia, but speed of bind them has increase significantly. You may be able to bind 3 or more now in the time it took to bind one previously.

As for it being only the second day, it doesn't take much to see how anti-friendly the changes are to people playing catch-up with crafting and relics.

This is what I mean by presumptive. You do not know how things have improved in other areas that makes it easier to get Tier IV materia and have assumed that since i70 and i90 gear no longer guarantees Tier IV materia that supplies will dry up even though they have never been a primary source of the materia.

Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

This is what I mean by presumptive.

If you have read any other SB posts, people ave been bonding 2 star gear as the price and availability of the old myth mats changed. 2.35 included a method to convert myth and allied seals into GC seals as well as use Ixali currency for mats. This would have led to even more people bonding the 2 star gear and more IV materia on the market to stabilize Aim/Might prices. SB changes remove that possibility, which I believe was the real catalyst with the i70-90 nerf.

Most people will simply not bond anymore, because running current content to bond was the casual method in the first place. Based on my own experience at Urth's Fount in 2.35, bonding speed has barely increased on i45-49 gear. This is using HQ Electrum Rings of Crafting with a single meld and a SB potion. You can't even bond i35-39 reliably there anymore. Unless you are running old content that drops i55 or i60 gear, you will not see a speed increase. None of this is presumptive.